What has Trump done now?

[octave]

10 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

They have literally NO wind turbines to be seen anywhere

I do have to push back against that. I visit NZ each year because my son lives there.  There are numerous windfarms within sight of Wellington.  We have done many trips around NZ, and there are many windfarms. I have some video of a wind farm you can visit near Wellington, where you can literally stand under the arc of a spinning turbine.

 

OPERATING Onshore Wind Farms

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

8 minutes ago, facthunter said:

The Biggest Coal exporting Port is Newcastle and we are one of the Biggest LNG exporters also We were locked into these contracts. You Downplay the risks of Nuclear waste and storage Nuclear Reactors are Prime Military targets and need lots of Cooling water and the Power generated is Highly expensive, and concentrated so much so that Dutton Proposed the Cost and risks be shouldered by the taxpayer as private Enterprise would not engage in such a risky and poorly thought out Proposal. Dutton lost the election AND His own seat. Nev

So Nev if your statements are correct about nuclear how about explaining why there are so many operating around the world now and look after that to how many are currently under construction

If they were so expemsive for ROI and they are so unsafe..show me how many nuclear accidents there have been since they started. Other than Chernobyl and Three Mile island...all many many decades ago there seems to nbe a big push for nuclear everywhere except of us knobs here 

I am not against any renewables at all and I am not a climate change denyier. I want to see less emissions but the road to get there must be sensible for our country and economics not unhinged pushers of the green dream. I am a practical man not a idealogist

 

Some facts to digest below..make sure everyone reads the lot before coming back with any comments off the cuff.

 

All the information below is sourced from Grok

 

 

 

As of early 2026, there are approximately 421 coal-fired power plants (or major units) currently under construction around the world, according to compiled data for 2024 that remains the most recent detailed country-level breakdown available.

 

Note that "plants" here often refers to distinct facilities or generating units ≥30 MW tracked by sources like the Global Coal Plant Tracker (GCPT) from Global Energy Monitor (latest full release January 2026). The exact number of individual units can be higher, as some plants have multiple boilers/turbines.

• Almost all new coal construction (over 90–95%) occurs in Asia, especially China and India.
• Globally, the pipeline for coal has shrunk dramatically outside these two countries over the past decade, but new starts in China have rebounded strongly in recent years due to energy security and peak demand concerns.
• Many projects are "ultra-supercritical" or more efficient designs, but they still lock in long-term coal use (plants typically operate 30–50+ years).
• For comparison: The world has ~6,500+ operating coal plants/units, with total capacity around 2,100–2,200 GW.

 

 

 

 

As of April 2026, there are 415 nuclear power reactors currently in operation (connected to the grid and generating electricity) around the world, according to the IAEA's Power Reactor Information System (PRIS) database — the most authoritative official source.

 

Other reputable trackers report slightly higher figures (typically 437–440) because they use the broader term "operable," which can include reactors that are temporarily offline for maintenance, refueling, or regulatory reasons but are still part of the active fleet.Key Latest Figures

• IAEA PRIS (as of 7–8 April 2026):
  – 415 reactors in operation
  – Total net installed capacity: 379,471 MW (about 379.5 GW)
  – Additionally, 23 reactors in suspended operation (long-term outage, e.g., some in Japan) with ~19.7 GW capacity.
   
• World Nuclear Association (recent 2026 data): Approximately 438–440 operable reactors with total capacity around 400–400.7 GW.
   

  world-nuclear.org
• Other sources (Statista, various reports in early 2026): Often cite 437 in operation as of February 2026.

The small differences arise from:

• Timing (new connections vs. shutdowns).
• Definitions: "In operation" (strictly generating) vs. "operable" (licensed and available).

Top Countries by Operating Reactors (approximate, latest data)

• United States: 94–96 reactors (largest fleet by far)
• France: 57
• China: 57–58 (rapidly growing)
• Russia: ~37–38
• South Korea, India, Canada, Japan, Ukraine, and others make up the rest.

These ~415–440 reactors supply roughly 9% of the world's electricity while producing low-carbon baseload power. In 2024–2025, global nuclear generation reached record levels despite some retirements.Note that the fleet is aging on average (~32–34 years old), but many countries are extending lifetimes to 60–80 years, and new reactors (including the ~72 under construction) are gradually coming online.

 

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Now lets see how many nuclear plants are currently under construction around the world?

 

 

As of April 2026, there are approximately 72 to 79 nuclear power reactors (individual reactor units) currently under construction around the world.

 

The most authoritative sources report slightly different numbers due to timing and definitions (e.g., when construction officially starts or whether delayed/suspended projects are included):

• IAEA PRIS database (updated as of 8 April 2026): 72 reactors under construction, with a total net capacity of about 75.5 GW.
   

  pris.iaea.org
• World Nuclear Association (updated early April 2026): Around 79 reactors under construction (total ~85–86 GW gross capacity) in 15 countries.
   

  world-nuclear.org
• Other recent reports (Statista, Visual Capitalist, etc.): Figures range from 74 to 75 active projects.
   

Top Countries Building Nuclear Reactors (approximate, latest data)

• China: 29–38 reactors (by far the leader, accounting for roughly half of global new builds)
• India: 6
• Russia: 4–6
• Türkiye: 4
• Egypt: 4
• Others (smaller numbers): South Korea, Bangladesh, UK, Ukraine, Japan, Pakistan, Iran, Slovakia, Brazil, Hungary, Argentina

Most construction is happening in Asia, with a strong focus on Pressurized Water Reactors (PWRs) like China's Hualong One and Russia's VVER designs. A few projects involve other types (e.g., PHWR in India, or first-of-a-kind designs).Key Context

• These figures refer to large-scale commercial power reactors. Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) are mostly still in planning, licensing, or early demonstration stages (a few are starting physical construction, like in Canada or the US, but are not always counted in the main totals yet).
• Many projects, especially in China, are progressing relatively quickly. Others (e.g., in Europe or the Middle East) face delays due to regulatory, financing, or supply-chain issues.
• For comparison: There are currently about 415 operating nuclear reactors globally.

The exact number can fluctuate month-to-month as new construction starts or projects reach grid connection. The IAEA PRIS database is generally considered the gold-standard official tracker.

[facthunter]

Stick to your Aeroplane stuff Kyle. You do that Very well because you know what you are talking about there. . Where are you getting your Political information From? Nev

[Kyle Communications]

Just now, octave said:

I do have to push back against that. I visit NZ each year because my son lives there.  There are numerous windfarms within sight of Wellington.  We have done many trips around NZ, and there are many windfarms. I have some video of a wind farm you can visit near Wellington, where you can literally stand under the arc of a spinning turbine.

 

OPERATING Onshore Wind Farms

 

 

I have been to NZ 7 times and travelled the length and breath of both Islands many times...I have only seen wind turbines around wellington. Although I havent been to the top end of the North island for  a few years and the road down to wellington for about 10 years so cant comment on the north island but on the south island I certainly can as of 10 days ago. I did over 1000 km on the south island. Show me 1 wind geb=nerator that is around Christchurch up on the whole ridge lines around all the mountains around christchurch..I can show you a video 360 deg from the Sugarloaf reserve..they are none to be seen where I would think they would all be..its windy up there

 

I just travelled from Auckland to Rotorua and then Tokaroa then back to Auckland then flew to Christchurch then trained it to greymouth drove a car across the top of the south island then back to christchurch then down to Hamden then back to Ragitata then back to christchurch...I never saw even 1 wind turbine in that trip

 

[Kyle Communications]

4 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Stick to your Aeroplane stuff Kyle. You do that Very well because you know what you are talking about there. . Where are you getting your Political information From? Nev

hahahah Nev. I think I know when a commie is trying to bend me over the kitchen counter

 

 

[octave]

AI Overview

 

 

 

As of late 2024, New Zealand has 21 onshore wind farms operating, comprising approximately 653 wind turbines. These wind farms provide roughly 12% of the country's total installed electricity generation capacity, with over 1GW of capacity, and contribute to powering over 620,000 homes. 

Science Learning Hub +1

Key details about wind energy in New Zealand:

• Largest Wind Farms: The 220 MW [Turitea wind farm] near Palmerston North is among the largest, alongside [Tararua] and [West Wind].
• Generation Capacity: Wind energy's share of total electricity generation has increased from 2% in 2007 to roughly 12% in 2024.
• Future Development: Numerous new projects are in development, aiming for wind to contribute a higher percentage of the country's electricity by 2030. 
  Science Learning Hub +2

[facthunter]

Since when does what the rest of the World does Mean it's correct. IF People don't CARE they take the easy road. Expensive and often with Kickbacks for the Individuals involved. Like with Submarines. CHINA Is doing BEST with renewables and Australia is One of the BEST Places for them THAT Has to be taken into account...Nev

[onetrack]

Trump is an economic moron with zero maths skills, zero personal skills, zero diplomacy skills, and no training or education in economics. His primary aim is to get fabulously rich, get his rich supporters even richer and become King of the World. 

He's so full of BS and hot air, it's a wonder they don't have to tie him to the ground to stop him from floating away.

 

He promised to Make America Great Again. He's done nothing like it. The U.S. national debt has soared under his Presidency. Inflation is taking off again in America, thanks to all of Trumps "economic policies", and his major decision-making directional changes that change by the minute, not by the day.

 

Fuel prices have doubled in the U.S. (despite the fact he reckons "America doesn't need ME oil", the price is governed by oil futures traders and pure speculation). So much for stability in energy prices.

He says, "Drill baby, drill", like that is going to yield a "GREAT" benefit to America. He's so thick, that he doesn't even understand that oil companies only live to make HUGE PROFITS for themselves, and f*** everyone else! When was the last time America had an "oil-company-led, economic miracle"? There never has been one.

 

America got rich on dirt cheap oil in unlimited quantities in the 1920's and 1930's, and even at that, the oil companies were making huge profits. Nowadays, there's no cheap, plentiful oil - and even fracking is high cost - and lots of fracking wells are currently on care and maintenance.

 

Look at Trumps tariffs - on-again, off-again, on-again, off-again - like a teenage girl changing outfits. His tariffs have only caused reciprocal tariffs, so Americans can't sell half the stuff they used to.

 

He buggered American farmers more effectively than any President in history before. The Chinese simply refused to buy American soybeans and went and got what they wanted from Brazil.

Now American silos are bursting with soybeans they can't give away. So he had to bail out American farmers with American TAXPAYER-PAID subsidies, to the tune of $37 BILLION!!

 

"As of December 2025, the Trump administration announced a $12 billion aid package to assist American farmers affected by low crop prices and trade-related tariffs. This includes $11 billion in direct payments for row crops and $1 billion for other crops to provide financial relief for operating costs. 

Key details regarding the aid:

Purpose: The aid is designed as a "bridge" to assist with financial losses stemming from ongoing trade disputes and tariffs.
Funding Source: The administration stated the funds are generated from tariff revenues.
Distribution: The funds are expected to be available by early 2026 to help farmers prepare for the next season. 

Additionally, it was reported that farmers had previously received $23 billion in separate assistance to manage trade tensions with China"

 

And this is the MORON you want running your economy?? Give me a break, the bloke would go broke running a lolly shop outside a girls school.

 

He'd put all his clients off buying anything, by abusing the s**t out of them first, then suing them for not buying anything off him!!

 

This imbecile is the greatest embarrassment the world has ever seen, running the worlds primary superpower.

 

He selects all his people by demanding absolute loyalty to him and no-one else, with no requirement to show any credentials for the job.

He demands all foreign dignitaries stay in Trump-owned hotels, thus making him one of the most corrupt Presidents ever. He's turned graft into an art form.

 

He ignores Congress at every opportunity, claims every decision he makes is based on some fabricated outstanding emergency, and only appoints judges to the Supreme Court that will make decisions in his favour every time. He is the biggest oxygen thief on the planet.

 

Trump is going to go down in history as the President who brought America to its knees, economically, and morally and ethically.

 

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[facthunter]

NOW you are Being NASTY Kyle. I didn't think you were Like that .  There's NO Communist party in this country and I've Never been one. Please don't make slanderous Stuff up.  Nev

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[Kyle Communications]

9 minutes ago, octave said:

AI Overview

 

 

 

As of late 2024, New Zealand has 21 onshore wind farms operating, comprising approximately 653 wind turbines. These wind farms provide roughly 12% of the country's total installed electricity generation capacity, with over 1GW of capacity, and contribute to powering over 620,000 homes. 

Science Learning Hub +1

Key details about wind energy in New Zealand:

• Largest Wind Farms: The 220 MW [Turitea wind farm] near Palmerston North is among the largest, alongside [Tararua] and [West Wind].
• Generation Capacity: Wind energy's share of total electricity generation has increased from 2% in 2007 to roughly 12% in 2024.
• Future Development: Numerous new projects are in development, aiming for wind to contribute a higher percentage of the country's electricity by 2030. 
  Science Learning Hub +2

The battle of the AI...

 

How many windfarms are currently in New Zealand and how much actual capacity do they supply and to what islands

 

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As of early 2026, New Zealand has 21 fully operational onshore wind farms with a total installed capacity of 1,263 MW (about 1.26 GW). There are no commercial offshore wind farms yet (only early investigation stages for future projects).

 

windenergy.org.nz

This represents roughly 12% of New Zealand’s total installed electricity generation capacity and contributed around 8.8–9% of actual electricity generated in recent 12-month periods (e.g., ~3,810 GWh in the year to September 2024, with higher output in windy periods). Wind’s actual annual output varies with weather but typically achieves a capacity factor of 35–45% in New Zealand’s strong wind resources.Distribution by Island

• North Island: The majority of capacity (over 75–80% historically, and still the bulk today). Many large farms are clustered in the lower North Island, especially around the Tararua Ranges and Manawatū region near Palmerston North (e.g., Turitea, Tararua, Te Āpiti). Other notable North Island farms include Harapaki (Hawke’s Bay), Waipipi (Taranaki), and Te Uku (Waikato).
• South Island: Smaller share but growing. Key operational farms include Mahinerangi (Otago), White Hill (Southland), Kaiwera Downs (Southland, Stage 1), and Flat Hill (Southland). Newer or expanding South Island projects are adding capacity here.

All wind generation feeds into the national grid (managed by Transpower), with an HVDC link connecting the two islands. This allows power to flow between islands as needed, though most North Island wind primarily serves North Island demand, and South Island wind supports local or export needs via the link.

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[octave]

Whatever the current number is I would say that this statement is incorrect: "They have literally NO wind turbines to be seen anywhere"

 

I am guessing that there are fewer turbines in the North Island due to the dominance of hydro.

NZ has 80%-90% renewables

 

 

Key Renewable Energy Sources in NZ

• Hydropower: The primary source, providing roughly 60.5% of electricity, utilizing major dam infrastructure.
• Geothermal: A significant, stable source contributing to the base load, utilizing hot water and steam from the ground.
• Wind: An rapidly increasing contributor, with significant investment in new wind farms.
• Solar: Growing rapidly, with over 850 MW of distributed (rooftop) solar as of early 2026 and increasing grid-connected solar farms.
• Battery Storage: Emerging technologies, such as the 100-megawatt grid battery at Huntly Power Station, are being installed to manage demand spikes. 

Wind power is a rapidly growing, key component of New Zealand's renewable energy sector, with over 1,000 MW of installed capacity. Recent projects like the Harapaki Wind Farm have expanded capacity, while future offshore wind developments are projected to boost GDP and support renewable energy targets. Wind often complements hydro and geothermal generation to provide reliable, low-carbon electricity.

 

[Kyle Communications]

7 minutes ago, facthunter said:

NOW you are Being NASTY Kyle. I didn't think you were Like that .  There's NO Communist party in this country and I've Never been one. Please don't make slanderous Stuff up.  Nev

I wasnt saying you were giving it to me on the kitchen counter.

 

I mean Albo and his socialist (read commo mates) are.

I am a self funded retiree and not on any govt benefits or have been in my whole life. Every single dollar I have has been earnt by hard work and risk. All I see is I am being attacked for any prosperity I have earned.

On the 1st of July I am up for CGT of almost 200k on a 2 year 500k cost investment for a subdivision I did on one of my own assets I have owned for 20 years. Now I dont mind paying tax as everyone has to to make the countyr run but the amount of waste and stupid decisions by this goverment is a travesty

This is called private investment. Without it the country has no money this is why we are a trillion dollars in debt. The CC will run out very soon.

 

There are about 2.7 million on the aged pension...thats fine

Disabilty Pension there are almost 1 million people??????

Carer payments are 60 to 70,000  ??????

Parenting payments are 150,000 to 300,000.  

Now we havent even looked at the NDIS figures yet and we know how much rorting is done there

 

I have no issue with my tax dollars being spent where it NEEDS to go but to me there are a lot of cheaters and freeloaders on the system. and Labor just keeps feeding it.

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

10 minutes ago, octave said:

Whatever the current number is I would say that this statement is incorrect: "They have literally NO wind turbines to be seen anywhere"

 

I am guessing that there are fewer turbines in the North Island due to the dominance of hydro.

NZ has 80%-90% renewables

 

 

Key Renewable Energy Sources in NZ

• Hydropower: The primary source, providing roughly 60.5% of electricity, utilizing major dam infrastructure.
• Geothermal: A significant, stable source contributing to the base load, utilizing hot water and steam from the ground.
• Wind: An rapidly increasing contributor, with significant investment in new wind farms.
• Solar: Growing rapidly, with over 850 MW of distributed (rooftop) solar as of early 2026 and increasing grid-connected solar farms.
• Battery Storage: Emerging technologies, such as the 100-megawatt grid battery at Huntly Power Station, are being installed to manage demand spikes. 

Wind power is a rapidly growing, key component of New Zealand's renewable energy sector, with over 1,000 MW of installed capacity. Recent projects like the Harapaki Wind Farm have expanded capacity, while future offshore wind developments are projected to boost GDP and support renewable energy targets. Wind often complements hydro and geothermal generation to provide reliable, low-carbon electricity.

 

• Seems the major wind power is the North Island, Regardless the majority of NZ power base comes from Geo and Hydro..recognised always as a "base load" supply. NZ is lucky to have those to use. We dont
• Coal and gas here are our baseload supply. Wind and solar are never base load they are too intermittant. There is no spinning reseve available on wind and solar and there never will be. Base load is the key to a stable system. Baseload is like the lead keel on a sailing boat the boat remains pretty stable but remove that lead and you will capsize...just look at Spain and Portugal last year. 
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• North Island: The majority of capacity (over 75–80% historically, and still the bulk today). Many large farms are clustered in the lower North Island, especially around the Tararua Ranges and Manawatū region near Palmerston North (e.g., Turitea, Tararua, Te Āpiti). Other notable North Island farms include Harapaki (Hawke’s Bay), Waipipi (Taranaki), and Te Uku (Waikato).

[Siso]

Kyle forgot to add UK to the list. Although they have had no end of trouble with Hinkley, They are going to build more. 

 

New Zealand so have a some wind but it is only an addon to their hydro and geothermal. Australia has not much Hydro (about 8%) and no real accessible geo thermal

 

France id exporting 15GW of electricty over the border at the moment including to Germany. see electricitymaps where you can see NZ as well. It shows who is doing the best. Hint, its not Germany 

 

https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/FR/72h/hourly

[Siso]

13 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

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I mean Albo and his socialist (read commo mates) are.

I am a self funded retiree and not on any govt benefits or have been in my whole life. Every single dollar I have has been earnt by hard work and risk. All I see is I am being attacked for any prosperity I have earned.

On the 1st of July I am up for CGT of almost 200k on a 2 year 500k cost investment for a subdivision I did on one of my own assets I have owned for 20 years. Now I dont mind paying tax as everyone has to to make the countyr run but the amount of waste and stupid decisions by this goverment is a travesty

This is called private investment. Without it the country has no money this is why we are a trillion dollars in debt. The CC will run out very soon.

 

 

" The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money"- Margret Thatcher

[octave]

Kyle, my post simply pointed out that your statement, "They have literally NO wind turbines to be seen anywhere" is not quite right.

 

Having said that, I understand that there are other ways of replacing spinning inertia, such as grid-forming batteries and synchronous condensers.   These technologies get better every year. 

 

I watched a video this morning regarding someone called Karl Rabago, who has a long history in the power grid industry. He talks about the "internetization" of the power grid, which means instead of a dumb one-way grid, we have a smarter grid that works more akin to the internet. The internet seldom goes down over a large area.    He talks about islanding, whereby smaller areas, say a suburb, have their rooftop solar and a community-level battery. Yes, they are still connected to the grid, but are able to be disconnected when it suits the grid.

 

Technology is moving fast. It seems unlikely that the old grid would be the best system for all time. Just as the communication system has revolutionised, so will the grid.  

[facthunter]

And what did the IRON LADY achieve? She said there is No such thing as SOCIETY. People expect the government to wipe their Bums for No cost or a thank you.  Tories believe in gov't by the Filthy Rich by entitlement. . Democracy is by the PEOPLE for the People . AS Churchill said Democracy is the worst form of Government EXCEPT for ALL the Others.  Nev 

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[facthunter]

The grid has it's limits and a cost and reliability ASPECT. Subsidisation is required to connect remote Places. WA is Not connected to the rest  . Losses occur all along a grid. Nev

[Kyle Communications]

Nev there is a oxymoron when it comes to socialism and democracy. The 2 are mutually exclusive

Currently we have a socialist government and I certainly wouldnt call it a democracy. All of these parties vote long party lines NOT in the interest of the individual politicians electrorates. They are all too frightened to vote how the majority of the districts they are in want to vote.

This then makes the ruling party effectively a dictatorship spewing their own ideas to make the whole country comply

We do not really live in a democracy.

 

 

[facthunter]

YOU have the right to cast a secret Ballot vote Here.. Plenty of other Places DON'T HAVE that, Where else would you rather Live? Communism and democracy are Mutually exclusive but communism is not practised here. You are really putting forth a lot of Bullshit on this. Have you recently become attracted to some form of Politics as I cant recall you being interested before. Trump BLAMES so called Lefties for everything but I Hope you are Not an admirer. Try telling an educated Audience here that WE do not live in a Democracy Why use words Like SPEWING?  Parties develop Policies that they Pretty well stick to OR they are Gone. Nev

[octave]

Kyle, my post simply pointed out that your statement, "They have literally NO wind turbines to be seen anywhere" is not quite right.

 

Having said that, I understand that there are other ways of replacing spinning inertia, such as grid-forming batteries and synchronous condensers.   These technologies get better every year. 

 

I watched a video this morning regarding someone called Karl Rabago, who has a long history in the power grid industry. He talks about the "internetization" of the power grid, which means instead of a dumb one-way grid, we have a smarter grid that works more akin to the internet. The internet seldom goes down over a large area.    He talks about islanding, whereby smaller areas, say a suburb, have their rooftop solar and a community-level battery. Yes, they are still connected to the grid, but are able to be disconnected when it suits the grid.

 

Technology is moving fast. It seems unlikely that the old grid would be the best system for all time. Just as the communication system has revolutionised, so will the grid.  

[facthunter]

 The Powers already invested in fossil  (and Nuclear Hopes) don't want solar, wind and Batteries that will free us from the Centralised near total monopoly they currently enjoy and exploit  to the full. WARS are Fought over Oil . The sooner it Becomes Less Necessary the Better. To Only Burn it for energy is sacrilege.  Nev

[kgwilson]

20 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

We do not really live in a democracy.

 

 

What do you call a democracy then? Labour got in with an overwhelming majority and the largest part of the primary vote. Our preferential system is flawed in that your vote may end up going to some party you do not want so you put it down the list. You may not even want the second or subsequent on your list but that's the way the system works. Not only that but the voting paper for the senate is ridiculously long, plus handing out how to vote cards on election day is almost coercion.

 

I have had a foot in both NZ & Australia since the 70s. My wife is born here & lived there for 25 years. I was born there & owned property here for 20 years before we moved when I took redundancy in 2005.

 

NZ used to have first past the post like many other countries & the UK still does. When you have a majority without needing to call on other parties or independents you can get things done easily. The NZ system is far superior in my opinion & it was the result of a national referendum. Mixed member proportional is that 50% of MPs are elected by your primary vote & the other 50% based on the percentage of votes that party got nationally. You have 2 votes, 1 for your MP & one for the party of choice. Often people vote for an MP from a party they don't like but like the person they voted for so they have a bob each way. Political advertising and hoardings are banned on election day. Voting is simple & there is no upper house. 

 

Whatever government is in power will not suit everyone for whatever reason. In my opinion the worst governments we have had since i have live here were John Howards last, Tony Abbotts and Happy Clapper Morrisons.

 

NZ,s electricity supply has been around 80-85% renewable for many years given the abundance of available hydro, geothermal & wind. Solar is now making large inroads & the plan is to have 100% renewable electricity by 2030.

 

Nuclear does not produce emissions but the cost is eye watering, the time frame ridiculously long, the waste extremely dangerous, & no-one want a nuclear power plant in their locality.

[octave]

The idea that our present government is socialist is a little hard to fathom.  I looked up the definition of socialism.

 

Socialism is an economic and political system based on public or collective ownership of the means of production, rather than private ownership. It aims to reduce inequality by controlling resources and distributing goods based on societal needs rather than profit accumulation, often managed through state planning or worker councils. 

 

Key aspects of socialism include:

• Distinction from Capitalism: While capitalism is built on private ownership, free markets, and profit, socialism challenges these by proposing collective management to eliminate class disparities. 
  Ownership: Major resources, such as factories and natural resources, are owned by the state or cooperatives.

• Economic Goal: The focus is on distributing wealth equally among workers, as opposed to capitalist systems which allow for private wealth accumulation.
• Role of the State:
   Socialism is often seen as a stage where the government or working class takes control of the economy and planning.
•  
• Distinction from Capitalism: While capitalism is built on private ownership, free markets, and profit, socialism challenges these by proposing collective management to eliminate class disparities. 
  Australian Communist Party +6

• Socialism varies from democratic forms that work within market economies to more centralized, planned systems. While sometimes conflated with communism, it is often viewed in Marxist theory as a lower stage of development preceding communism. 

   

   

  I can't really see how our government fulfils these criteria.    Businesses are not being nationalised, and the rich are definitely getting even richer.

   

   

   

   

   

   

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[Kyle Communications]

40 minutes ago, facthunter said:

YOU have the right to cast a secret Ballot vote Here.. Plenty of other Places DON'T HAVE that,

No you dont ...Secret ballot is only held in the party room when electing a new leader...very very rarely is it done on a policy decision by any party except on something like abortion