What has Trump done now?

[onetrack]

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I have no idea of Chump's objectives, but if an unintended consequence is the re-impostiion of a government represntative of the people, preferably democratic, and disollution of state sponsored terrorism, then, well, it does deserve a peace prize, does it not?

The problem is - as regards replacing nasty, terrorist-run anti-democratic regimes, with democratic, peace-loving, fair-minded, just, and civil Govts - America's record is pretty dismal, when it comes to wading into a foreign country in their best gung-ho manner, armed with the worlds finest cutting-edge armaments, and blasting away at everything that moves. 

 

There's not a single country where any American attempt to install a democratic, Western-style, fair-minded and just Govt, has succeeded. In virtually every case, any country they have invaded has eventually returned to tribal militias, and gang warfare.

[willedoo]

The Patriot crews will be getting some practice.

 

[rgmwa]

If this becomes a mess, which is likely, Trump’s base will be very unhappy. 

[Jerry_Atrick]

7 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Dafuq??

 

Do you really think Trump gives a flying f**k about the welfare of anyone who isn't Donald J Trump?

Especially foreigners.

Once again the stupid bastard is being led by the nose by Netanyahu, who needs yet another war to keep in power and out of court.

Peace prize my arse. The only prize the orange clown deserves is "Worst President Ever", possibly upgraded to "Person who has had the most negative impact on humanity 2016-2020, and 2024 to impeachment"

As I saidf in my post, I don't know what his objectives are. My point was if he brings regime change that is representative of the people and preferably democratic; and that elimiates Iran from state sponsorship of terrorism (I get it, to some they are freedom fighters), then surely, that would be good. regardless of the objective?

 

The fact Netanyahu is in office at the moment, is  happy coincidence to keep him out of court. Regardless of who is in power in Israel, Iran has vowed the elimination of Israel. Israel for years has pursued attacks on Iran when they felt, presumably on half-reliable intelligence, that they were getting too close to nuclear and advanced missile systems. The civilian protests and killings (which I remind you seem to be on a trajectory to take as many civlians in aroudn 5 months as Palestinians taken in 28 months), for which the rest of the world seems silent about, is being committed by the Iranian regime. Perfect time for regime change, which Israel does want, and so does the USA (and, I bet most f Europe, Canada, Australia, and many other democratics and peace loiving nations).. Just the opportunity to justify it hasn't been so blatant before. 

 

So, yeah, Chump probably couldn't give two hoiks about the average Iranian - but seemingly, neither does the rest of the world. But, if his action makes it more peaceful - and that is an if, then I would be happy for him to take a peace prize. I would still inscribe on it, it took him a lot longer than Obama to get it. 

 

If Europe led the attack under the banner of linerating Iranian civilians, would that be pallatable?

 

6 hours ago, rgmwa said:

He and Netanyahu are more interested in triggering regime change than getting some kind of agreement on nuclear development. In his statement justifying the attack Trump listed all the Iranian attacks on US interests snd personnel going back decades. 
Putin won’t be happy because he may not get some of the drones he needs. 

Agree. Except it isn't just Netanyahu, but it is also appears to be the majority of Iranians want it, too: https://www.iranintl.com/en/202508212335. And they are getting slaughtered for wanting it - at a far faster rate than the last couple of years which caused outrage.

 

Of course, Netanyahu and probably every Israeli (Jewsih - not the Arab) politican does, too, as it would, in theory, neutralise a threat. To say anything different would be illogical. 

5 hours ago, willedoo said:

Jerry, 95% of Iranians are followers of Islam. They are Persians not Arabs, is the more correct way to describe them.

Correct. What I meant was the current Iranian regine is a Sharia law based regime, which most Iranians weren't and aren't. 

 

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

There's not a single country where any American attempt to install a democratic, Western-style, fair-minded and just Govt, has succeeded. In virtually every case, any country they have invaded has eventually returned to tribal militias, and gang warfare.

I agree. I did not say it would end up with a lovely new democratic,  representative, and secure government. I wish it would, but it would be unlikely. Again, my question was if... .

 

2 hours ago, rgmwa said:

If this becomes a mess, which is likely, Trump’s base will be very unhappy. 

It may well make them unhappy... Other things he has done has made them unhappy, but he seems to have applied a lot of teflon to those shoulders!

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[red750]

It's ON!

 

Iran's supreme leader, and possibly his son, have been killed. Beirut airport has been hit in retaliation, disrupting air traffic.

 

Edit: It was an Israeli strike.