Albo to the rescue

[Jerry_Atrick]

I am not arguing Vietnam was good, or that it did not provide enlightenment to the voting public of some of the wrongs out politicians have done from time immerorial to today, and will continue. But to suggest that Vietnam was the sole catalyst seems myopic.. There was a lot of social change going on thanks to other reasons, and Vietnam, as an event, coincided with that. 

 

Today, our voting population and politicians have resources to become informed and have foresight. The fact they don't is recklessness, and the chickens are coming home to roost on the recklessness if we look at workd events today.

[facthunter]

ALL the WAY with LBJ and Askins Run Run Run the Bastards over. The RS "L" was useless also. Lot's of Public protests Here and in America against the War.  Red Paint thrown on  returnees, Disgusting treatment.  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

George Carlin once said, "Never underestimate the power of stoopid people in large groups.."

 

Disgusting treatment - definitely.. .by a large group of stoopid people.

 

[facthunter]

At the time I thought it was a totally inappropriate way to express opposition to the Vietnam War. Crowds don't THINK.  The war was over then. US didn't win.   Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

3 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I am not arguing Vietnam was good, or that it did not provide enlightenment to the voting public of some of the wrongs out politicians have done from time immerorial to today, and will continue. But to suggest that Vietnam was the sole catalyst seems myopic.. There was a lot of social change going on thanks to other reasons, and Vietnam, as an event, coincided with that. 

 

Today, our voting population and politicians have resources to become informed and have foresight. The fact they don't is recklessness, and the chickens are coming home to roost on the recklessness if we look at workd events today.

It still boils down to the fact that the electorate was in the wrong during the 60s, and the social change, if any, was too little to put sense into peoples heads. But I don't remember any social change then anyway. It all came in 72. Big changes came after Vietnam, it was the main catalyst. The problem was, Whitlam waited till the next election in 72 to put forth those changes. The whole nation should have been discussing changes from 65 - on, but no, everyones self interest was the order of the day, selfish and couldn't give a stuff. In the meantime a great deal of damage was being done to the young blokes. No one took responsibility for their own bastardry, which included the voting electorate. They were wrong, but won't admit it. They can't wait for the conscripts die off, so they don't have to think about them any longer. So the one social change that didn't come about, when it should have, was compensating young blokes for being conscripted when it wasn't necessary to conscript them. Everyone now agrees with that.

 

They are still the same today, because the system is still the same today .. wait till the next election to put forth changes. 

[old man emu]

Of course Whitlam could not change anything before the 1972 election - the Labor Party was in Opposition, as it had been for twenty-odd years. 

 

You make it sound like every conscript was given a firearm and sent off to Vietnam. That is not correct. 

 

Also, you are looking at a 20th Century culture through 21st Century eyes. The culture has undergone changes since the 1970s, and even more so since 2020.

[facthunter]

Whitlam couldn't change anything when he's not in Power. No one can. You just whistle in the Wind till you can pass legislation. Blame the Media too. THEY have a role to Play.  Nev

[nomadpete]

Albo to the rescue....

Is our government quietly acquiescing to trumpism, like Canada is?

In spite of their rhetoric, both countries are tightening immigration and pushing fossil fuel mining.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

Of course Whitlam could not change anything before the 1972 election - the Labor Party was in Opposition, as it had been for twenty-odd years. 

 

I see that as a major flaw in our system - twenty years was far too long.

 

Our system needs to be changed so that everyone gets a look in regardless of election results. Democracy could be more inclusive so that an elected government can't just do what it likes. Controversial policies, which many of them are, need to be thrashed out in public as well as in Parliament to eliminate the "controversy". Only then should they be implemented.

 

For you guys, I'll start a thread about the "Feast and Famine Variable". You'll find it unbelievable because I discovered it. I discovered it in 1979, and researched it ever since.

[old man emu]

You can’t cry over spilt milk. And you can’t compare the political culture of 75 years ago with that of today. 

 

Who’s fault was it that the Right was in power for 20 years? Labor was cutting its own throat during that time (Laborites think that unfortunate). It was the era of the Cold War and the Conservatives played the “Reds under the Bed” card for all its worth. The voters, weary from the Depression years and WWII, were trying to concentrate on their own battler lives, and had little time to think of politics. They know that affecting how the country was run was pretty much out of their ability. 

 

Come the late 60s and the ideas of the Common People began to change and have continued to do so. It’s called Social Evolution. Just like everything since the beginning of the 20th Century, the pace of change has so much faster than ever in Mankind’s past.

[Jerry_Atrick]

4 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Our system needs to be changed so that everyone gets a look in regardless of election results. Democracy could be more inclusive so that an elected government can't just do what it likes. Controversial policies, which many of them are, need to be thrashed out in public as well as in Parliament to eliminate the "controversy". Only then should they be implemented.

Erm.. What? Maybe I don't get the gist of what you are saying. Australia has a representative democracy.. Virtually all legislation that isn't administrative or supply goes through a consultative stage. There are three readings of a bill. The news reports on whit judges to be the most improtant ones and anyone can provide responses to consultations. https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Lists

 

You are free to join the debate outside of parliament and parliament has to pass bills, and the second reading is usually where the real debate takes place. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of the bills are administrative in nature and quite boring. 

 

What would you propose that would not clog up the system entirely? I suppose for public debate, you could have a big chat room of some sort people could log into... The reality is you would probably get less people than you think. 

 

A council in the UK help public meetings online, which became somewhat educational: https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/online-council-meeting-hijacked-jokers-4034378

 

Edited June 19 by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

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[nomadpete]

Oh oh, I think Nev has caught Jerry's keyboard disease.

[facthunter]

 It's not FFS, Fat Finger Syndro
me. Why would the ruddy thing start a new  line.? I don't want to suffer alone. Might have to start a go fund M because the stove has just Carked ite. alsop. Nev

[onetrack]

Nev, are you using a laptop? If you're passing your hands or fingers over the touch pad while you're typing, it will activate unintended commands. Use a mouse.

[red750]

I think Spacey uses the same type of keyboard.

 

The keyboard on my laptop started misbehaving, so I bought a $12 wired keyboard from Officeworks. My biggest problem is hitting M or N when trying to hit the spacebar.  I type with the keyboard on my knee so I can watch the telly at the same time. My son uses the computer desk as he works from home and has his laptop and two large monitors, three active screens at once.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

13 hours ago, facthunter said:

When peo

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Easily the most legible thing I have read on here that I did not write myself 😉

 

(Seriously, Nev.. appreviate the effort you put in... and yes, agree... It;s the apprenticehip college for crims).

[Jerry_Atrick]

12 hours ago, nomadpete said:

Oh oh, I think Nev has caught Jerry's keyboard disease.

Only two typos in all of Nev's post.. not even close!

[Jerry_Atrick]

I tried the windows voice recongition module. The recording is attached. This is what it produced.,.. Got confused very quickly and I have a reasonably powerful machine. The    recording is here: 

 . The speed I was talking at was the fastest I could get it to reliably come up with anything but jibberish.. Was going to recommend Nev to try it.. but jeepers you'd end up throwing your computer out of your window. The "it lost it" comment early on was because Windows decided I told it to take the focus from the text box to one of the page numbers.. and you can see why at the end I said I had no idea what it was doing. 

 

 

                            This is A test of V windows voice recognition software I actually thinkthe I calledspacetime    

 

 

Even I don't stuff it up that bad!

 

[facthunter]

I think it's just an el cheapo keyboard. It mst know I'm talking about it. it's improved a bit. I cant see half the letters either.  Nev

[onetrack]

New keyboards are cheap. Personally, I've always preferred and used Logitech keyboards. Operator error is the biggest single problem, use a keyboard that has a good feel to the buttons and one that is tilted upwards slightly at the rear.

[facthunter]

There's not much space at my desk for this one. Keys have a very light touch. Goes to Caps lock often inadvertently.  I type with two hands. Nev

[red750]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Goes to Caps lock often inadvertently.

Yeah, mine too. A bloody nuisance to see a line of text all in caps.