Albo to the rescue

[Litespeed]

Nev,

 

Your speaking to a hollow vessel.

 

[red750]

Are you saying Spacey is an American voter?

[Jerry_Atrick]

There are similar voters all over the world

[nomadpete]

5 hours ago, Litespeed said:

Nev,

 

Your speaking to a hollow vessel.

 

Hollow vessels float the best!

[facthunter]

MT vessels are devoid of content. The value is in what they carry. They do make the most noise.  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Well, here is yet another example of Albo to the rescue..  of big corporate interests at the cost to Aussies, again

 

[facthunter]

Some obscure Blogger. What does his view count for? Read the replies and note the audience he caters to.  Nev

[onetrack]

They're not game to end the NW Shelf gas production, because it's a golden goose for both the W.A. and Federal Govts.

[nomadpete]

10 hours ago, onetrack said:

They're not game to end the NW Shelf gas production, because it's a golden goose for both the W.A. and Federal Govts.

So american. Making money regardless of the consequences. 

[nomadpete]

Albo to the rescue??

 

I'd really like to see Albo rescue Australia from the grip of AUKUS.

 

And from reliance on a rogue state (USA), for our defence purchases.

[Jerry_Atrick]

20 hours ago, facthunter said:

Some obscure Blogger. What does his view count for? Read the replies and note the audience he caters to.  Nev

So, facts don't matter? Only the people who present them?

 

He's hardly obscure.. having raised well into the hundred thousand dollars to finance billboards and irritating Santos execs enough to respond in their corporate propa... er communications

 

I have read a few of the 900+ comments and I can't discern what type of people they are.. but I can discern that more and more are getting p155ed off with successive governments not only shortchanging Australia but brazenly giving out corporate welfare..

 

 

 

 

[facthunter]

IF we are going to discuss the matter seriously I wouldn't credit such Commentary as reliable. Suit yourself if you disagree but really it is hard to get the real story and will get harder . Suggesting facts don't matter with ME. YOU have to be Joking surely.  Nev

[nomadpete]

Here's something Albo could rescue:-

 

Mt Isa's copper smelter is slated to be closed by the owners.

The smelter is owned by Swiss mining giant Glencore. They say that the smelter is not profitable without a big upgrade. Now they are asking the Australian government for $millions to keep  going.

 

I suggest a different option. Rather than giving millions to a foreign mining giant, can the government resume ownership of this loss making enterprise, and put those millions into what would then be our own smelter?

[facthunter]

Glencore Have a crap record with the Macarther River in the NT.  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Most mining and fossil fuel energy companies have a crap record.. Actually, come to think of most industrial, energy, mining, and chemicals companies (and I am sure a few other categories) have a crap record.

29 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Suggesting facts don't matter with ME. YOU have to be Joking surely.

It was more irony... I subscribe to that fella and he presents facts and sources for most of his claims.. Australia (and the world) need more like him.

 

Michael West has also appeared in at least one vid with him. I think we accept MW is of goo integrity.

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:28 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

Too much of the sensational. Not necessary. Not a style I like.  What's in it for him?  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Yeah..  I don't think he's appealing to our demographic...

 

Of course he is wanting to make a better and/or more independent living than he did as an English teacher. But at least he is trying to educate a more dispassionate demographic and get them thinking about their future

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Many public companies have a crap record. But not as bad as politicians and governments.

[nomadpete]

27 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

Many public companies have a crap record. But not as bad as politicians and governments.

Sometimes.

 

However, it seems that the corrupt exploiting types gravitate to either arena - wherever they sense opportunity to feather their own nest.

 

In my experience, I have seen equally disgusting behaviour in GOC's and private enterprises.

[facthunter]

Politicians are exposed to all sorts of scrutiny, and are easy targets for invented character assassination. It's a crap job.  Nev

[nomadpete]

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

Politicians are exposed to all sorts of scrutiny, and are easy targets for invented character assassination. It's a crap job.  Nev

And often escape deserved scrutiny.

Crap job... but nice work if you can get it. 

[facthunter]

Giants of Industry can cover up all sorts of things and get much more money than Politicians are Paid. They are not ALL bad but as I said, EASY Targets. and a few crooked ones give the rest a bad name.  Nev

[pmccarthy]

We once had a Prime Minister who figured out how to make money. He would get his mate, a publisher, to print something nasty about him. He would then sue the publisher but settle out of court, untraceable. What he was doing for the publisher in return we don't know.

[Jerry_Atrick]

4 hours ago, facthunter said:

Politicians are exposed to all sorts of scrutiny, and are easy targets for invented character assassination. It's a crap job.  Nev

It's not like it is an unknown profession and they go into it blind, is it? Therefore, the potential rewards to them or those they represent must be greater than the cost of that exposure and for some that will be the betterment of society as a whole (which may not align to your or I view of betterment), and for some, it is to achieve more vested interests. The senior politicians - the ones alledgedly making the decisions are increasingly making decisions that seem to favour vested interests rather than the interests of the community as a whole. Of course, what one person thinks is beneficial may not be what another does. 

 

The fact that they volunteer to enter what is a public role means they are going to be critically assessed.. And that is the way it should be. Otherwise, how will public figures of whome the public has entrusted them with, for which they are very well rewarded, especially at the senior level. Their salary is only a small portion of the benefts, which are not FBT-able, which they accrue. After adding the FBT that would have been paid, and suddenly, they are on a good wicket - not to mention the cushy lobbying and other corporate jobs they land afterwards. 

 

4 hours ago, facthunter said:

They are not ALL bad but as I said, EASY Targets. and a few crooked ones give the rest a bad name.

No one said they are all bad.. But, the leadership of both of the major parties do not act in the interests of the population. Albo has hosted lunches and dinners at many thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars per head for fund raising for the ALP. Every PM and senior minister does for every party. These are not really available to you or me, even if we wanted to splash the cash to get a seat. These are for different commercial and industrial leaders to discuss things relevant to their economy. They are not spending this money for no return, are they? I am not going to post it, but Monique Ryan's now famous question to the PM about the attendees of one such lunch, to which the speaker took exception, was not answered, but landed a personal attack on her by Albo himself. 

 

And don't give me this BS that we need these titans of industry... to keep jobs going blah blah blah... We should have been transitioning our industries years ago, which would have been a more gradual, less disruptive transition, to allow us to become world leaders and have genuine Aussie corporations leading the way.. Employment would be higher, GDP would be higher and the US slapping tarrifs on us would be jusitifed (in a relative sense). Instead, we give our resources to foreign corporations and companies for free so that other countries reap all the benefits, let alone a couple of true Aussie companies. 

 

I agree with Juice Media.. There is the shit party (LNP) and shit lite party (ALP)... 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:54 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

It's not like it is an unknown profession and they go into it blind, is it? Therefore, the potential rewards to them or those they represent must be greater than the cost of that exposure and for some that will be the betterment of society as a whole (which may not align to your or I view of betterment), and for some, it is to achieve more vested interests. The senior politicians - the ones alledgedly making the decisions are increasingly making decisions that seem to favour vested interests rather than the interests of the community as a whole. Of course, what one person thinks is beneficial may not be what another does. 

 

The fact that they volunteer to enter what is a public role means they are going to be critically assessed.. And that is the way it should be. Otherwise, how will public figures of whome the public has entrusted them with, for which they are very well rewarded, especially at the senior level. Their salary is only a small portion of the benefts, which are not FBT-able, which they accrue. After adding the FBT that would have been paid, and suddenly, they are on a good wicket - not to mention the cushy lobbying and other corporate jobs they land afterwards. 

 

No one said they are all bad.. But, the leadership of both of the major parties do not act in the interests of the population. Albo has hosted lunches and dinners at many thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars per head for fund raising for the ALP. Every PM and senior minister does for every party. These are not really available to you or me, even if we wanted to splash the cash to get a seat. These are for different commercial and industrial leaders to discuss things relevant to their economy. They are not spending this money for no return, are they? I am not going to post it, but Monique Ryan's now famous question to the PM about the attendees of one such lunch, to which the speaker took exception, was not answered, but landed a personal attack on her by Albo himself. 

 

And don't give me this BS that we need these titans of industry... to keep jobs going blah blah blah... We should have been transitioning our industries years ago, which would have been a more gradual, less disruptive transition, to allow us to become world leaders and have genuine Aussie corporations leading the way.. Employment would be higher, GDP would be higher and the US slapping tarrifs on us would be jusitifed (in a relative sense). Instead, we give our resources to foreign corporations and companies for free so that other countries reap all the benefits, let alone a couple of true Aussie companies. 

 

I agree with Juice Media.. There is the shit party (LNP) and shit lite party (ALP)... 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I said.....