Is our 2 party system just a con?

[Marty_d]

2 hours ago, Brendan said:

you reckon labour are doing a good job. net zero is costing us a fortune and in the end it will be dropped because it is unviable. bowen is a clown.  

every day we here about another labour minister abusing allowancees.

labour in victoria have handed organised crime 15 billion or more using the big build as a front.

jacintas idea for more housing is to build towers all over melbourne because they will come under cmfeu control. they don't get involved in residential home builds so no promoting that.

daniel andrews left before he had to face the music but not before he amassed 90 million for himself.

there is so much more than that too.

andrews tripled workers comp policys overnight and that makes life hard for us employers .

i never used to be interested in politics at all but these criminal and corrupt politicians made me take notice. 

i actually voted for andrews when he first ran.  the other choice was napthine and his incompetent mates.

now albo the liar is breaking his ellection promises and bringing far too many immigrants with no regard to infastructure.  and labour believes criminals should all be set free with no consequences for thier actions.     one nation might have its faults but they will be better than what we have now.

 

Firstly you're conflating state and federal politics there. I'm not a Victorian so I know bugger all about your state government.

Not sure either how Labor's current immigration policy has anything to do with their election promises, I can't remember immigration being an issue at the last election.

And if you get rid of immigrants, who looks after aged care, fruit picking and all the other jobs people born here don't want? Plus, I know it's not a popular statistic for those on the far right, but immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and more entrepreneurial than people born here.

Not at all sure either why you think Labor is soft on crime.

In terms of PHONey doing a better job than the current government, I hope you're joking. They would be absolutely hopeless, a failed experiment like the Trump one in the USA.

[willedoo]

In case anyone is wondering why I clicked the informative button on Brendan's post - I saw the post and he had a string of icons there starting to resemble a poker machine. There was left to right, 1 Like, 1 Haha, 1 Winner and 1 Sad. So I thought why not give him a crack at getting the full jackpot - one of every type, the full string. So come on blokes, don't be mean, all it needs now is 1 Confused, 1 Thanks and 1 Agree. I'm not sure if anyone's ever hit the jackpot on this forum before.

[willedoo]

One Nation seems to be getting a lot of free publicity, some good some bad depending on the media outlets, but the media is certainly giving them some oxygen. It took a shark attack in Sydney to finally bump ON off the top of Google's news feed. It's been saturation level lately.

[Brendan]

1 hour ago, Marty_d said:

Firstly you're conflating state and federal politics there. I'm not a Victorian so I know bugger all about your state government.

Not sure either how Labor's current immigration policy has anything to do with their election promises, I can't remember immigration being an issue at the last election.

And if you get rid of immigrants, who looks after aged care, fruit picking and all the other jobs people born here don't want? Plus, I know it's not a popular statistic for those on the far right, but immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and more entrepreneurial than people born here.

Not at all sure either why you think Labor is soft on crime.

In terms of PHONey doing a better job than the current government, I hope you're joking. They would be absolutely hopeless, a failed experiment like the Trump one in the USA.

typical left response. no one has ever said stop immigration.  one nation want it brought back to 130,000 per year to allow infrastructure and housing to catch up. you live under a rock in tassie by the sound of it.  i never said a thing about immigration at the last election. i talk about the allan and albonese governments as one because they basically are. you think labour isn't soft on crime.  go and do some research because you have no idea.   do you think they are white australians doing all the home invasions in melbourne and the  machete attacks.

victoria has more cars stolen per day than every other state combined because of labours youth crime epidemic . daniel andrews started that when he relaxed bail laws against the police commissioners advice.  there are teenagers here that have committed violent crime and been let out on bail 80 times or more. they laugh at the police.  2 boys in the western suburbs last year were hacked to death in the street by a gang of shitheads they didn't know, one of them was still alive when they cut his arm off.

there are sudinese familys sending their kids to boarding school in africa because its safer than melbourne,  what about the sudinese that beat a bloke ton death in footsgray a few months back , a random attack in broad daylight.  what about the gang last week that hacked up a kid with machetes in one of the big shopping centers in front of everyone. 

what about the richmond drug injecting center. daniel andrews put it next to a primary school, kids walk past drug dealers working outside the facility and sometimes they walk around dead bodies.

i could go on forever but you left turkeys will just say i am full of shit because its easier than facing the truth.

[Brendan]

1 hour ago, willedoo said:

In case anyone is wondering why I clicked the informative button on Brendan's post - I saw the post and he had a string of icons there starting to resemble a poker machine. There was left to right, 1 Like, 1 Haha, 1 Winner and 1 Sad. So I thought why not give him a crack at getting the full jackpot - one of every type, the full string. So come on blokes, don't be mean, all it needs now is 1 Confused, 1 Thanks and 1 Agree. I'm not sure if anyone's ever hit the jackpot on this forum before.

best you can come up with.

[Brendan]

1 hour ago, Marty_d said:

Firstly you're conflating state and federal politics there. I'm not a Victorian so I know bugger all about your state government.

Not sure either how Labor's current immigration policy has anything to do with their election promises, I can't remember immigration being an issue at the last election.

And if you get rid of immigrants, who looks after aged care, fruit picking and all the other jobs people born here don't want? Plus, I know it's not a popular statistic for those on the far right, but immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and more entrepreneurial than people born here.

Not at all sure either why you think Labor is soft on crime.

In terms of PHONey doing a better job than the current government, I hope you're joking. They would be absolutely hopeless, a failed experiment like the Trump one in the USA.

another thing too. because they are so soft on youth crime the gangs get hired for a few hundred bucks 

by organised criminals to do their dirty work  . have a look at the age of the people that get caught  doing all the fire bombings around the place.  they get out on bail the next day.

[willedoo]

13 minutes ago, Brendan said:

best you can come up with.

Don't worry Brendan, it's not your chain I'm jerking. I was expecting a bite from someone else.

[Brendan]

12 minutes ago, willedoo said:

Don't worry Brendan, it's not your chain I'm jerking. I was expecting a bite from someone else.

all good.   i try not too look here too much, i get wound up too much. 😁.

i am not all for one nation either ,i just think they can't be worse than the 2 parties we have now.

 

 

 

[Brendan]

On 12/06/2026 at 5:15 PM, facthunter said:

Your mate Trump is what you are describing there. GON.  He's a VAIN dictator. who only listens to those who agree with him. Albanese is chosen as Leader by the Party as in all parties here. He governs with the support of his Ministers  working together as a team. You are  really raving and exaggerating.  Votes get people elected here. Not Money and Power. let's hope it stays this way. That's democracy. Now let's get a truthful Media and we will be  doing well.. Presently OUR Media is one of the Biggest Monopolies in the World.. Nev

why do you keep going on about another country's leader.  we are supposed to be talking about australia.

[Brendan]

On 09/06/2026 at 2:08 PM, facthunter said:

It's the Coalition that's in dire trouble. Now THEY are talking about amalgamating with PHON. The Greens are in trouble internally. People aren't deserting Labor. Stop reading Sky and Murdoch LIES and find out what's really happening, wille. Yes Hanson is on a roll but if she's the ANSWER just what is the Question? She will be doing WHAT Murdoch and Gina want. Newspoll is Murdoch and not that reliable, either. You don't know just what questions were askedin the survey.  Overseas opinion of the Australian Gov't's Performance  is very different from HOW is Portrayed by the MSM Here. Nev

so who  has donated 27 million to albo over the last three years. who is he beholding too. 

[onetrack]

You talk a lot of shit, mate. Your right-wing parties are so useless they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery if they bought their own glasses. As soon as Hanson gets any kind of power, she'll be asking Gina Hancock to help run the country.

 

And Hancock is just a robber baron, shafting every Australian, while she claims we should all bow down and be grateful to her, for ripping all our minerals out of the ground so she can make more millions without lifting a finger. She gets multiple millions a year for just collecting royalties and pays no tax, because it all goes into the Hancock Family Trust.

 

Her old man built a $20M mansion, pissing in everyones face with his blatant ripoff iron ore money, while ordinary people did it tough. Then when his Filipino floozy widow looked like taking over the iron ore income stream, Gina spent multiple tens of millions on lawyers to make the Filipino floozy get just a couple of million, and nothing else. Then Gina flattened the mansion, less than 20 years after it was built. Is this the kind of people you want running Australia? 

 

Australia is the land of lack of competition, monopolies, robber barons, and corporate lobbyists who would twist Hanson around their fingers, if Hanson ever got any kind of political power - so they could get more corporate rorts, and more extreme wealth. Now we have BHP refusing to pay electricians good money for doing a prick of a job in extreme dust and heat, and a Liberal or ON Govt would back BHP to the hilt, claiming unions were being greedy. They're the ones who know what greed looks like.

Meantimes, corporate CEO's get salaries that look like Lotto wins every week, while they claim they can't pay workers any more money. Banducci, CEO of Woolworths, gets close on $10M in salary and perks, while he shafts Woolies customers and Woolworth employees. Joyce got $25M annually for shafting Qantas customers, and employees.

At least Labor goes in to bat for the battlers, the pensioners, the veterans, and those who can't get a step up the rung of the wealth ladder.

 

Labor tries to adjust the tax system so the housing bubble doesn't explode, and tries to help young people acquire an affordable home - and all the Landcruiser-driving, big boat boat-owning, multiple property owners and developers, start screeching they've been shafted, and Labor is a pack of arseholes.

No, it's the greedy property owners who keep wanting million-dollar property gains every year, while they pay only a pittance in tax, thanks to all their wangled tax deductions - such as the Landcruisers and boats - who are shafting every Australian, and getting "unjust riches" from property investment.

 

Crime has always been with us, you watch too much TV and social media crap, that blows crime out of all proportion. Were you complaining about gun crime in the 1990's when shootings were just as common as today, but only occasionally reported? When we had the worst massacre Australia has ever had, with 35 people shot down by one bloke, just for fun? What about the Hoddle St massacre, or the Fathers Day massacre in Milperra? Those people weren't recent immigrants.

 

Car thefts were massive in the 1980's and 1990's, and immobilisers were introduced to try and stop it. So car thefts went down for a while, now the car thieves have electronic devices to beat immobilisers. We have more people in jail than ever, and yet you claim crims are getting away with crimes constantly. Not much has changed - just the rabid, rapid-fire media reporting that has increased, because the media of today want stories that attract clicks and eyeballs.

 

You need to take a hard look at yourself and your one-eyed, right wing rants, or go to America and join the MAGA nutters who claim Trump has all the answers, too. And I forgot to add, Hanson thinks Trump has all the answers as well, she worships him as the answer to the worlds problems. So we'll get a Trump-style Govt, if Hanson gets any political power. Decisions on the fly, with no reference to anyone, and decisions reversed daily, so no-one knows what's going on. Hanson is a stunt-puller, and carries the same level of nastiness as Trump, abusing people, including allies, and causing disruption, left right and centre. Albo and Chalmers are doing their best with what they got handed, and a lot of what they got handed, came from Liberal Govt decisions.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by onetrack