Is our 2 party system just a con?

[facthunter]

The Ultra right Racist Tart is Gina's and Murdoch's Puppet. How well will that work? Ashby runs the show internally It will NOT be stable. Nev

[willedoo]

One Nation has hit a high point in their opinion poll figures in the latest Redbridge poll, leading Labor on primary vote intentions for the first time. On primary voting intentions, One Nation is up four points to 31%, Labor down three to 28%, and the coalition on 20%. The Labor drop is within the 3.5% margin of error, but as the pollsters pointed out, there has been a steady downward trend in the Labor primary vote for some time now and broadly across polls. Labor is still in a winning position on a two-party-preferred estimate, leading One Nation by 51% to 49%.

[pmccarthy]

You beauty, we are getting there!

[onetrack]

Don't ever forget the old political adage - "A week is a long time in politics!" Next week, the polls could look entirely different.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I doubt it.

[facthunter]

Where is THERE exactly?  People can PROMISE anything. What do you think she will actually DELIVER?. Would you buy a Used Car from any of her party so far? AND it IS HER Party. Come in Suckers. Murdock and Reinhart are laughing. . They stand to benefit for sure. No global warming in her Mind. That saves thinking which she does  Little of. It's mainly copying Trump , Farage and other ultra right wing Nutters. What makes people THINK she HAS what it takes?  Look how Trump fooled America, (with the Help of the GOP).  Hanson is actually a nobody with 3 generations of Hate filled promises to show for it.A "would be IF she could be" for sure. Australia doesn't need this Distraction at such an Important time in history. If She's ever the Leader, she will embarrass us more that you would believe possible. She Isn't Foreman Material or even Pleasant.  Nev

Edited yesterday at 05:55 AM by facthunter

[willedoo]

A couple of years to go. I can't see the next election seeing Labor with a huge majority like they have now. Current polling estimates give them a majority of one seat, and possibly a minority struggling to form government. A lot could change in two years. It's hard to see the coalition position getting worse and I don't know what Labor could do to win back heaps of voters. By election time in 2028, Labor could have incumbency working against them combined with an unpopular PM. If Labor's polling figures drop to an election losing low point in a year's time it could trigger the infighting and implosion we saw in the Rudd/Gillard years. Musical chairs for PM and Albo getting the royal boot. Both Labor and the Coalition have previously found out how that behaviour pans out. A big majority doesn't mean much if there's a big enough swing on.

[willedoo]

It looks like someone's buttons are being pushed.

[willedoo]

When it comes to big majorities I always think of our classic Queensland example of how a government with a huge majority can totally stuff up and lose government. Point in case is can-do Campbell Newman where an opposition numbering seven members beat him and formed government. There's no such thing as an unbeatable majority if the voters decide they want to wield a big stick.

[facthunter]

You are Giving a lot of generalised opinions, Nothing More. Queensland has always been another World Polliticaly to other Parts of Australia. Campbell Newman was another soldier" Mad person". His Mother was far more reasonable. Remember the Fitzgerald Enquiry?  Qld is the Only Place where the LNP is ONE Party and the State Gov't has no Upper House. Newman was so bad people Began Leaving the State. Nev

[willedoo]

Nev, I'm a 4th. generation Queenslander so what you're saying is no news to me. It might be to others on the forum. I think by now most know what the LNP is. I started explaining it here on the forum two or three years ago when forum members were mistakedly referring to the Federal coalition as the LNP and you've mentioned it many times as well.

[willedoo]

15 minutes ago, facthunter said:

You are Giving a lot of generalised opinions, Nothing More.

Yes, correct. I'm giving generalised opinions and not expecting them to be taken as anything more. I prefer making general observations rather than picking sides and pushing one particular political wheelbarrow.

[Brendan]

6 hours ago, facthunter said:

The Ultra right Racist Tart is Gina's and Murdoch's Puppet. How well will that work? Ashby runs the show internally It will NOT be stable. Nev

if you took the time to listen you would realise she is not rascist.

thats just a word lefties like to throw around when they have nothing better.

you still love albo and snake chalmer even after all the lies and the damage to our land and economy

with the stupid net zero plan that most countries have abandoned.

hopefully labour are out at the next election and the country can recover.

go one nation . 

out with the left and the woke clowns.

[Brendan]

22 minutes ago, facthunter said:

You are Giving a lot of generalised opinions, Nothing More. Queensland has always been another World Polliticaly to other Parts of Australia. Campbell Newman was another soldier" Mad person". His Mother was far more reasonable. Remember the Fitzgerald Enquiry?  Qld is the Only Place where the LNP is ONE Party and the State Gov't has no Upper House. Newman was so bad people Began Leaving the State. Nev

like all the people that have left victoria while labour has been in power.

 

[willedoo]

There you go Nev, there's a post for you that's not generalised. Very specific I woud say.

[willedoo]

23 minutes ago, Brendan said:

like all the people that have left victoria while labour has been in power.

 

I know where they've all gone. I can just about see them from my place.

[onetrack]

I thought Victorians left Victoria to go find some liveable weather?? Most of the Victorians that left, went to QLD because they wanted decent weather, not specifically because of their Labor Govt.

 

Victoria has gained in population every year since the pandemic ended, so your numbers are BS, just like Hansons regular BS.

If Labor f**** everything it touches (as you're claiming), how come W.A. is doing quite well under a State Labor Govt? The Liberals here on the Left Coast have disappeared up their own arse.

 

They keep on producing leaders of the Party who are total dropkicks and unelectable. Now they have a former dropkick disc jockey/cum Lord Mayor (and he stuffed up Perth City Council, too), claiming he can lead the Liberals back into power. He's a legend in his own bathtime.

[octave]

33 minutes ago, Brendan said:

like all the people that have left victoria while labour has been in power.

 

 

Victoria has been losing a small number of people to other states, but not on the scale seen during the peak COVID years.

In the year to March 2025:

• Victoria's net interstate migration was -2,318 people.
• That means about 2,300 more people moved from Victoria to other Australian states and territories than moved into Victoria from elsewhere in Australia.

For comparison:

State	Net interstate migration
Queensland	+24,015
Western Australia	+11,675
Victoria	-2,318
New South Wales	-26,560

 

So Victoria is still seeing a net outflow to other states, but it is relatively modest. In fact, recent government analysis noted that Victoria recorded positive quarterly interstate migration for the first time since the pandemic, suggesting the trend has been improving.

 

According to the latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, Victoria’s population reached about 7.05 million people by March 2025, up by roughly 124,600 people over the previous year. That was a growth rate of 1.8%, equal to Queensland and above the national average of 1.6%.

Victoria had:

• +33,730 people from natural increase (births minus deaths)
• +93,176 people from overseas migration
• −2,318 people from net interstate migration (more people leaving for other states than arriving from them)

So the interstate migration loss exists, but it is relatively small compared with the gains from overseas migration and natural increase. Victoria is still adding well over 100,000 people per year overall.

 

[onetrack]

[facthunter]

People go to Qld for the Warmth, NOT the Politics. Few in  Australia KNOW what real COLD is.  Unfortunately the old "Beautiful one day, PERFECT the Next'' is not the case. anymore. Weather related disasters are causing high Costs.  Nev

[willedoo]

40c below is the coldest I've experienced, at Grand Prairie in Alberta. 30 below was quite ok with the right gear but 40 was a point where it was like being in an industrial freezer. 20 below at Calgary was quite pleasant if the wind wasn't blowing and was about equivalent in coldness to two or three above in western Qld. A different cold over there in Canada, as long as you could block the outside air you'd be quite warm. Australian cold is more insidious and can creep into your bones no matter how much clothing you have on. A bit like the difference between dry and humid heat.

[facthunter]

Australia doesn't "Know" Cold, even in the Alps. Melbourne is only 36 Degrees of Lat. South of the equator.. Nev

[willedoo]

The coldest official temperatures we get in Qld. are always at Stanthorpe on the border and Oakey on the Darling Downs. They record winter lows of -4 to -6 on average. A big difference between official recordings and private recordings though. A mate who had a small crop farm at Stanthorpe has recorded up to -15 at rare times. I get why Stanthorpe is cold; it's a thousand feet higher than the Toowoomba range but Oakey has always baffled me. I think it must be the shape of the land around it trapping the cold air or something like that.

[willedoo]

Back on topic. Regarding recent talk of a possible Teal party forming, I was wondering what views are on that. Personally I don't think it will go far. At this point there's not enough interest among independents; a lot of them are very mindful they were elected as independents and probably also thinking they could lose their seat to a true independant if they joined a party. There's talk among journalists about the possibility of them filling a centre right void.

 

[facthunter]

 Just HOW can you have a "Party of Independents"? Nev