Is our 2 party system just a con?

[Marty_d]

8 hours ago, willedoo said:

I beg to differ Marty, I would say I'm bang on the point. That's just my opinion, you're entitled to yours. I'd consider myself centre right politically and you support a far left party so we're never going get an echo chamber thing happening here.

Actually I support centre left.

[old man emu]

Actually, the swing to One Nation is probbly the best thing that could happen to the traditional governing Parties. They only have to ask Why?, and do a bit of soul-searching. Why is the electorate doing this? Why have we lost their support? Answering those questions should lead to a reassessment of their platforms and with reformed platforms they can hope to win back lost support. We would end up with our traditional parliamentary system - Labor -v- Conservatives.

[nomadpete]

53 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Actually, the swing to One Nation is probbly the best thing that could happen to the traditional governing Parties.

Agree, except..... it's ok as long as the wake-up call actually wakes up the slumbering major party policy makers.

 

In the USA extreme, twice now, the rebel voters created a One Party situation which permitted a political leadership disaster. Now they are stuck with a shadow of an opposition party that is unable to provide any balance to the excesses of the incumbents.

 

 

We seem to agree that our two major parties need to get back in touch with the electorate, and prioitise the masses.

 

But I fear our two parties are both too conservative to move forward.

[facthunter]

Trump won't survive the Mid terms without Illegal Interference in the voting. They are running $#!t Scared Pete, Where is this FAR Left Party you speak of  Here that Marty supports?  Nev

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

$#!t Scared Pete, Where is this FAR Left Party you speak of  Here that Marty supports?  Nev

Where did that idea come from? 

Australia hasn't seen even mildly Left Parties since the Australian Communist Party faded out.

[facthunter]

About 6 posts back. Your words. . Nev

[nomadpete]

No, I don't see any FAR left party in Australia.

[facthunter]

Nor do I. There isn't one.  Nev

[Marty_d]

It was Willie that said far left, not Peter.

[facthunter]

Sorry I'm as sick as a dog with Flu I caught on JetStar coming back from Newcastle.  A person Behind me was constantly snotting and coughing and my wife has been in contact with Nurse onLine etc and taking my readings. We have all the stuff to do the readings. . No men's shed tomorrow. I HAVE to get to a doctor. Nev

[Marty_d]

Hope you kick the flu soon Nev!

[facthunter]

Thanks Mate.  I hope I don't give it to anyone else.. Nev

[willedoo]

I was referring to the Greens. The Greens don't consider themselves far left but a lot of the rest of the country does. Labor faithful probably don't. Most people right of centre do.

[facthunter]

Labor has positioned itself in a Goldilocks Position, where the bulk of Australian's sit That only Leaves the super right  wing Nuts somewhere to go where No one should be in a world people would like to exist in.  Those of us who remember WW2, and the FINAL Solution, know what THAT is,.,. Nev 

[willedoo]

The last federal election I voted for an independent. It was a choice of probably the pick of a fairly poor selection of candidates in our electorate. She didn't seem too bad compared to some of the others, and I think she might have had some connection with the teals. Labor never does any good there and it's a very safe Liberal seat. A big influence in the Liberal vote there is the demographics of the electorate. Heaps of small business people and tons of self funded retirees, many of them interstate migrants. The Greens always get around 10%, similar to a lot of electorates.

 

The only time I can remember the seat not being Liberal was that brief period when Clive Palmer was our local federal member. From memory, I think he hardly ever showed up in parliament. A mate joined his party and went to a couple of meetings but left, like a lot of other people, once they realised what a dud Clive was. Just a lot of hot air.

[onetrack]

Clives party was always all about benefits to Clive, bugger anyone else. Just like Trump. Full of BS and self-importance, and self-interest.

[facthunter]

With the Greens it's Everything or NOTHING  Not Being even a bit Pragmatic and they are very Pro Palestine' I say that with No Pro or anti  comment. They frequently have Internal ructions over Non Green policies. They BAG Labor to get a bit of the Low hanging fruit which is Pretty Gutless Behaviour. as many Policies Overlap. They have suffered a great Loss Lately in seats Held for their Voter base. On a Lot of Political Forums to criticise them In any way Invites Great retribution, for some obscure reason. No one is Beyond criticism or  honest analysis. Nev

[Marty_d]

I wouldn't go quite that far but I do agree they often let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

The prime example is when they knocked back Labor on the emissions trading scheme. We could have had a working ETS for almost 20 years now if they'd given a little ground.

[Litespeed]

If it wasnt for the Greens, we would have no environment ploicies other than chop it down and mine everything.

 

Yes they have allowed perfect be the enemy of good, but they do have our best interests at heart.

 

They are pro palestine because they believe all humans are equal.

 

[Marty_d]

Yep you beat me to it... I was about to add just that - they don't think billionaires should dictate policy, they do stick up for the environment and their hearts are definitely in the right place.

I don't think they could run the country, but they are a far better influence on whoever is in government than the crazies on the other end of the spectrum - the PHONeys, Clives, Nats and half (or more) of the Libs.

[facthunter]

I took care not to judge the Merits or otherwise of greens Policies. Effectiveness  is more what I was addressing.  They MISSED many opportunities they shouldn't Have and Australia is worse Off  as a result, Libs HATED Turnbull and undermined him constantly. T Abot was very Anti Climate action and HAS NO Science background at all  and iT shows  Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

The Greens never knew about the tailings dam at Mary Kathleen Uranium until I told them.

 

That dam was on bare ground and was covered with a yellow foam, leaching into the ground and exposed to the atmosphere.

 

The Qld State govt minister told the Greens it was monitored. Nothing happened after that, that I know of. I felt disappointed the Greens didn't fight to get it cleaned up.

 

I walked in it as part of my job to fetch a pump, had gum boots on of course. The foreman stayed well back on the bank.