Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

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Two men in black, armed with what look like military style rifles started shooting on people celebrating Hanukkah on Bondi Beach. Unconfirmed reports that up to 12 people have been killed, including children. There is a possibility one of the gunmen has been killed.

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One gunmen was hiding behind a tree shooting at people when the bravest person ever attacked him from behind and wrestled the gun off him. The gunman got up and ran away. The other gunmen on a bridge nearby started shooting at the brave civilian. You will see video on the TV for the next couple of days.

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Latest update: 10 confirmed dead, at least 16 taken to hospital.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Oct 7th comes to Australia. Congratulations Albo.

[onetrack]

Time to have a good sweeping clean-out of Western Sydney - home of thugs, criminals and now, mass-murderers.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

21 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Time to have a good sweeping clean-out of Western Sydney - home of thugs, criminals and now, mass-murderers.

This is one job we could be re-conscripted for, something worthwhile. We were told to keep our certificates of discharge in case we were needed again. Well we are needed again now, I would volunteer. What's the latest Army rifle?, I'd take one and get to work. 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

The Security agencies really stuffed up didn't they?

 

Right now Albo is on TV reading an off-the-shelf speech.

[Marty_d]

This is terrible on so many levels.

Firstly for the dead, the injured and their loved ones. Unimaginable what they're going through.

More long term, the social cohesion of this country.

As we see in a post already, people will use this tragedy as an excuse to blame the government, or whatever group they have a grudge against. 

Those who love authoritarianism will use this to push their barrow and change this country for the worse under the pretense of needing greater security.

Division and intolerance will increase.

This happened despite us having some of the best gun control laws in the world. And it is a sad fact of life that evil people will find a way to carry out evil deeds.

While it is early in the reporting of this event, I understand that one of the alleged perpetrators is dead and the other in custody. That at least is a good thing.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I'm waiting for the Police to say: "There's no further danger to the Public".

[red750]

11:30 pm update.

 

12 Dead, including a 12 year old girl. 29 in hospital, some critical.

 

One perpetrator dead, one in custody. One of them known to ASIO, not considered dangerous.

 

Explosive devices discovered in a car. Removed.

 

The man who disarmed one shooter was shot in the arm by the other shooter on the bridge.

[onetrack]

It's high time that a major clampdown on the illegal firearm industry is commenced. You get found trading, dealing or holding illegal firearms, you go to jail for 10 yrs minimum. Apply terrorism laws to them. Holding, storing or dealing in illegal firearms is simply preparatory planning to kill numbers of people, that should be a terrorism offence and receive major sentencing accordingly. We need to drive these people out of Australia.

 

Tens of thousands of innocent, honest, careful gun owners have been treated like criminals and forced to give up thousands and thousands of their firearms - but this does exactly NOTHING to prevent criminals such as this pair from acquiring high powered firearms and lots of ammunition. Hunt down all those involved in the supply of the illegal firearms and ammo, and send them down for 20 or 25 yrs. They're oxygen thieves.

 

GON, surely you jest about taking up firearms again at an age when a lot of people are in retirement and nursing homes? I haven't fired a shot in over 40 years, since my house burnt down and I lost my rifles and shotguns - and both you and I would certainly be no match for a fit and active 20 or 30 yr old with a firearm. I get down on the ground now, and it takes me 20 seconds, to get back upright again!

[Jerry_Atrick]

7 hours ago, Marty_d said:

As we see in a post already, people will use this tragedy as an excuse to blame the government, or whatever group they have a grudge against. 

I agree with  most of what you have said except this. At the Palestinian protests, at campuses, in Sydney, Melbourne, etc, people were openly chanting kill the jews and gas the jews.  

 

This was not protesting for Palestine, but protesting against Jews.. anywhere.. and calling for their murder.

 

The response from the governments? Tepid. Did anyone get charged with incitement or racial vilifcation? Crickets.   

 

In the UK it was nuch the same, except apparently you can be charged with a hate offence calling a horse gay or something. Surprise, surprise, the same thing happened, although more weren't killed because of logistics and it was a long gunman as I recall. 

 

Just imagine the response had it been Jews protesting to kill and behead the Muslims... 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:32 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[Jerry_Atrick]

I should add, it is not entirely the fault ogf the government, but more decisive action may have made some think twice - it may not have.

[pmccarthy]

I’m done with politely ignoring anti-semites. In real life or on line.

[red750]

The death toll has climbed to 16 this morning. At least one shooter got the punishment he deserved. The other should have got the same. Why deport them? No-one else wants them. Do unto them as they did unto others. They are worthless scum.

 

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NSW Police Commissioner's public announcement:

 

The gunmen were a 50yo father and his 24yo son. The father had 6 guns licenced to him, and the police say they recovered 6 guns from the scene. The father was killed and the son is in critical but stable condition in hospital.

 

The father had held gun licences for 10 years.

 

The brave citizen who attacked the gunman and saved countless lives was a suburban fruiterer and father of two.

[Jerry_Atrick]

What sort of fathe would risk his son's life for some ideology? I will never know.

 

However, I want to make sure we do not demonise Muslims (and yes, my previous post may be taken that way - it was intentded to show more the hatred towards Jews). 

 

My partner tells me it is rumoured it was a Muslim who disarmed one of the gunmen in the vid Peter posted. 

 

It will be interesting to see how the gunmen sustained their injuries - especially since one of them was disarmed. 

 

1 hour ago, red750 said:

The other should have got the same.

I am sorry, Peter, I cannot agree. We are better than them. Life is precious - even for those who commit henous violation of our laws.. We can punish in other ways..

Edited yesterday at 09:18 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[onetrack]

This whole episode is a total failure of Australian gun laws, and Australian National Security agencies. Why would a bloke living in a heavily populated Western Sydney suburb, need high powered, large magazine firearms?

No-one has yet identified the firearm types used, but I see in some media articles, that centre-fire, high powered, bolt-action long rifles were used, as well as at least one shotgun.

 

This attack defeats any claims that "military-style" weapons are the threat to a safe and civil society, and that banning them solved the potential for mass shootings.

The fact remains that too many urban dwellers are still allowed to own high-powered firearms, and they simply have no requirement to own same.

The fact remains that firearms laws are still piss-weak, and gun owners motives, beliefs, attitudes, and psychological stability are not even taken into account, when firearms licences are being issued.

As regards National security agencies - this is the era when authorities can hack into any online discussion, emails, phone conversations, and even listen in on supposedly "private" conversations.

The fact that these terrorists "flew under the radar", and were never picked up as plotters of a mass shooting, is an abject National Security agencies failure.

 

There must have been many previous indications that Palestinian sympathisers in Sydneys Western suburbs would plot and carry out an act of terrorism against Jews, in revenge for Netanyahus actions in the Middle East.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by onetrack

[facthunter]

I Agree that there Might Be Palestinian sympathisers about, but are you assuming they weren't being watched?  Easy to say after the event, it obviously wasn't good enough. Fathers and son's sometimes do things together. Sympathy for Palestinians is not a crime Here Yet,  Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

31 minutes ago, onetrack said:

The fact that these terrorists "flew under the radar", and were never picked up as plotters of a mass shooting, is an abject National Security agencies failure.

They were a concern, but thought to be low risk by Security. Silly Burgess.

 

Islam should be banned from Australia entirely, it's impossibly to control it. A quiet unassuming muslim can be your worst enemy if he's always reading the Qaran.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

2 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

What sort of fathe would risk his son's life for some ideology? I will never know.

Muslim sons are taught to hate the Jews, and Christians. 

[Litespeed]

Just like every group, some are racist and will do evil for their warped beliefs.

 

Not all are nutters only some...a bit like this forum.

[pmccarthy]

The disarmed shooter got away and ran back to the bridge and picked up another rifle. Meanwhile the other bloke on the bridge shot the brave fruiterer twice.