The End is Nigh!

[spacesailor]

 "  beaurocracy ".

we have ,(almost) a nice new ' roundabout ' at the end of our road !.

the outcry of  bad design is drowning out our applause for the speed of construction and efficiency, 

by those that are NOT trapped in this road .

who's to blame ! .

the ' road hogs ' who won't give an inch , to let others get in front of them .

 N ow , they have to slowdown . Whether  they Iike it or. NOT. 

spacesailor

 

PS.  :  But ,  who agrees with " give-way to any vehicle in the roundabout "

Edited Monday at 11:51 PM by spacesailor
PS added

[facthunter]

In Sydney you ALWAYS had to be a good (and quick) driver to venture on the road. HE who hesitates is surely LOST. IF a Semi moves out to Overtake when you are already passing him, Pull back quickly because HE is MUCH BIGGER than You. Nev

[Marty_d]

4 hours ago, spacesailor said:

 

 

PS.  :  But ,  who agrees with " give-way to any vehicle in the roundabout "

Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. It's the law.

[spacesailor]

stupidest  law , that stops a vehicle turning left at a roundabout ! , 

. if  vehicle has entered from your left . And no traffic on your right .

Am I missing some logic here .

spacesailor

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:18 AM by spacesailor

[onetrack]

Spacey, you're missing the roundabout laws understanding, same as about 50% of the drivers out there. The law states that vehicles entering a roundabout must give way to vehicles already ON the roundabout - and that "give way" is only if a collision is likely to occur, if you don't give way.

 

You do not have to stop turning left in a roundabout, if any vehicle is entering a roundabout from your left, because there's no likelihood of a collision, due to vehicle paths that are not conflicting.

The important part of roundabouts is to merge when you judge a suitable gap. Many people think they have to stop and look both ways at roundabouts and wait for someone on their right to stop, this is a lack of understanding as to how roundabouts work.

 

Roundabouts are to keep traffic moving, you enter a roundabout anytime you judge you can fit into the traffic flow, without making someone on your right, brake.

[octave]

7 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

Am I missing some logic here .

I think it comes down to the definition of "give way" I don't think give way means you must stop until there are no vehicles in the roundabout about, but you must give way ", give way", which means   slow down and, if necessary, stop to avoid a collision with other vehicles or pedestrians 

 

[spacesailor]

but 

" Give way to all vehicles: You must give way to all vehicles already in the roundabout, regardless of whether they are on your right, left, or directly opposite you. "

Official wording . 

anyone in the roundabout  , even without a right turn indicator, you give way untill it's empty .

must try it one day , when I have return to my house , once around the Island should do it . LoL

spacesailor

[octave]

2 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

Give way to all vehicles: You must give way to all vehicles already in the roundabout

Giveaway does not mean stop unless you need to do so in order to  AVOID a collision with a car already on the roundabout. In other words, you do not have to stop if there is NO risk of a collision.  Below is the NSW rule. The important words are you must slow down and IF NECESSARY, stop to avoid a collision.  The bit about vehicles on your left means that it is your responsibility to slow down or stop, but only to avoid a collision with a car already on the roundabout.

 

In NSW road rules, "give way" means you must slow down and, if necessary, stop to avoid a collision with another vehicle or pedestrian.

[old man emu]

I never understood the roundabout rules, and I was supposed to police them.

[onetrack]

Quote

Give way to all vehicles: You must give way to all vehicles already in the roundabout, regardless of whether they are on your right, left, or directly opposite you

And the missing words are, "if you are on a potential collision course with another vehicle".

 

If you think our roundabout rules are confusing, try Greece! Not only do the Greek drivers disobey virtually all the road rules, their road rules state, that vehicles already on a roundabout, must give way to vehicles entering the roundabout! - the exact opposite of Australian road rules!

 

Edited yesterday at 10:26 AM by onetrack

[spacesailor]

That makes sence , if you enter the roundabout you must not crash into the vehicle in front of you,

spacesailor

[Marty_d]

If there's a car already past you, there's no way to "give way" to it anyway. 

If there's a car on the opposite side of the roundabout, unless you're a real slowpoke you'll be out of his way by the time he gets to you.

If the car on the roundabout approaching you has his left indicator on, he's going to exit the roundabout on your road so he's not stopping you. (Obviously keep watching him in case he's indicating incorrectly).

So the only cars you have to wait for are those on the roundabout with either no indicator or right indicator on, approaching you from the right, where there's not enough room for you to safely go in front of them.

[red750]

 

Spacey, the above illustration is a bit more complex that your average two road intersection. However, let us assume you are in the red car at the bottom and intend to follow the red line. You are most unlikely to collide with a vehicle in front of road 'e' and less likely with cars at b, c or d, so it's safe to enter the roundabout. Cars at f are the ones you need to concentrate on. A car entering from b could well exit at d, or f, so there is no likelyhood of a collision, and you don't have to wait for them to exit.

 

If you want an intersection that confuses interstaters, come to Melbourne and try a hook turn, where you turn right from the left lane. These are designed to allow trams through progress without interruption. The turning car waits for the lights to change.

 

 

[red750]

Maybe these videos will help.

 

Roundabouts.

 

 

Hook turns.

 

[old man emu]

Isn't the "hook turn" only done in one intersection in Melbourne? I didn't think that it was done at any other intersection in Victoria. 

[octave]

12 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Isn't the "hook turn" only done in one intersection in Melbourne? I didn't think that it was done at any other intersection in Victoria. 

Apparently according to Google there are 49 hook turn intersections in Melbourne. Who knew? I didn't

[old man emu]

Are they associated with the routes trams take? Are they a means of making a righthand turn across tram line which are located in the centre of a roadway? In Sydney and Canberra there are right turn lanes beside the light rail tracks in the centre of the road. I suppose the hook turn had to be introduced after motor vehicles became more common and shared the road where existing tram tracks were.

[octave]

1 minute ago, old man emu said:

Are they associated with the routes trams take? Are they a means of making a righthand turn across tram line which are located in the centre of a roadway?

Yes

[red750]

If you are making a right hand turn from the centre lanes of a street with trams, you have to stop on the tramlines till traffic coming the other way clears. This holds up trams going in both directions. Pulling left as shown in the video lets trams travel through. Then, when the lights change, you complete the right turn.

[spacesailor]

The law ( road rules ) states " any vehicle " no matter where  in the roundabout has president. 

give way .

You could cop a fine ( revenueing ) .

spacesailor

[Marty_d]

Yes they have precedence BUT if there's room you can go.

Giving way means not causing them to brake/swerve to avoid you. If there's no chance of that then you can proceed.

[octave]

Spacey, what is your definition of "give way"?

[spacesailor]

Give way!

To stop & wait untill clear,  to proceed .

And your definition is ?.

spacesailor

 PS. : to egress my road was " make a mad dash " between  speeding vehicles .

Not safe at any speed . 

 MY neighbour was hit while crossing Fitzwilliam road on The pedestrian crossing .

Othere have been killed there , ( plural ). 

[octave]

18 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

To stop & wait untill clear,  to proceed .

Yes, but I would add to that, slow and or stop if necessary to avoid a collision. This means that often you will not need to stop at all. 

[spacesailor]

To answer that !.

I safely,  but slowly crossed a traffic light intersection on the green .

The light changed and I was fined $ 500 for my one half second on  the red .

we are obliged by law ! , to obey , to the letter of the law .

 Can I , change that .

spacesailor