Can the Victorian government get any worse?

[red750]

Oh, I forgot. The news and interviews are all bullsh*t.  If you donated an embryo to the IVF bank,how you feel about having your progeny raised in prison by a murderer?

[facthunter]

YES .Most of the News/Views is BULL$#!t. .  We deserve BETTER here.  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

To quote you:

11 hours ago, red750 said:

. Outcries against the granting have been overruled by the Government.

That is false. The government does not have the legal authority to deny the right.  If they denied the right, they would be overulling the law and is that ones definition of good government? In a country like Australia, it would waste taxpayers' money as such an overulling  would go to the High Court and be promptly thown out.

 

The claim is the Victorian government are bad because they are not yielding to public pressure - not that the mother is bad and should not  have a baby and quie frankly it is biased and not based on fact.

 

Edited November 28, 2024 by Jerry_Atrick

[red750]

Whatever. She doesn't deserve kids. Poor little bygger. Imagine filling out forms  Placw of birth?  Prison.

[old man emu]

Nobody has told us the circumstances of the murder. Was it cold-blooded, or a bitch fight that went bad?

 

As for the IVF, most likely there would be no embryo transplant. The woman would have eggs collected and they would be fertilised 'in vitro' (test tube). It is possible that the sperm donor would be known to her, perhaps her partner at the time of the offence, and any child might be placed in his care after the five years.

 

Once again we are going off, half-cocked, without all teh facts.

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, red750 said:

Whatever. She doesn't deserve kids. Poor little bygger. Imagine filling out forms  Placw of birth?  Prison.

Again.. this is just a beat up.. place of birth? I don't recall ever putting hospital down. Usually it's Melbourne. Occasionally Footscray, never Footscray hospital.

 

Seriously, why whip oneself into a frenzy? Life is too short to be angry over nothing

[red750]

I'm sorry. Didn't mean to ruffle your sensabilites. Must remember - keep my feelings to myself.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Seriously, it isn't me who  is getting worked up over this.. we can all express feelings.. but let's have a convo about things because life isn't black and white.. 

 

You can still disapprove.. 

[nomadpete]

Its fine to show a feeling about an issue. Its equally fine to debate whatever has been said.

 

Lots of stuff is agreed with. Some stuff is not.

 

That is how discussions work. And the forum is a discussion. Not a place to expect every comment to be automatically cheered on.

 

The very nature of the discussions here has taught me a great deal.

 

 

[facthunter]

The PLACE of Birth is a Suburb, NOT a Street  Address.  Unless you are at sea or in flight.  Nev

[spacesailor]

No ! .

Mine has street & house number , plus  zip/ postcode , town & county ,

Lastly,  country  UK  .

The wife very similar.  IRL .

spacesailor

[Jerry_Atrick]

That's your choice. I have never had to put an address in as a place of birth.. 

[spacesailor]

Not my choice! .

When you think about IT .

I had no choice of what was put on 'my' birth certificate .

Local customs and parents preference. 

spacesailor

 

[onetrack]

My birth certificate only lists the suburb I was born in, which is some 7kms away from where my parents lived. My parents (English and Scottish) birth certificates only list the town or village they were born in.

 

What I found amusing was my Mum and Dads marriage certificate lists Mums birthplace as Lahore - which is in Pakistan, in the Punjab.

 

But she was actually born in a little Scottish village named Lochore - which got its name from a nearby Lake - "Loch Ore".

However, the Scottish pronunciation of Lochore is "La-hore"! Obviously, the registrar didn't clarify the birthplace information!

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by onetrack

[Jerry_Atrick]

Timnes have changed in the  UK, too. Neither of my kids birth certificates list the exact address of birth - one London, the other Surrey..

[spacesailor]

Yes it has changed an awful lot.

The King is dead ! .

Long live the Queen .

The Queen is dead . 

Long live King Charles 11 .

spacesailor

[nomadpete]

Hold the phone. Tasmania is joining Victoria in a race to asset selloffs and probable bankruptcy.

 

Our latest budget, is an example of Liberal party 'better finance management '.

 

Our state spending exceeds our income. This is spruiked as a major reduction in deficit. Said deficit reduction will come from selling off profitable assets (ala Jeff Kennet), and cuts to government wage costs (lost public service jobs), and they promise .........

'The Department of Treasury and Finance has also been allocated $3.3 million to help agencies identify savings strategies'

 

Yeah, sure. Give me $3 million dollars and I'll show you how to spend less than you earn. Nice work if you can get it.

 

Oh, and it gets better. They now have a DOGE just like Donny's........ by a new acronym of course.........

The newly invented 'Efficiency and Productivity Unit (EPU) ......is in charge of finding at least $150 million in ongoing savings'

[nomadpete]

In spite of the glowing spin on Tasmania's economy, the only growth forecast is for a steady growth of billions of dollars deficit.

 

A compounding deficit of about a billion per year.

Edited May 29 by nomadpete

[facthunter]

The rest of Australia had better get ready for an Influx of refugees.  Nev

[facthunter]

They have less than 600,000 people to pay it off. That is just double that of the City of Geelong.   Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

I know they have acted as a buffer when Aussies have been dumb enough to elect Abo and SFM to power, but can Australia still afford state givernments?

 

Maybe because of the last two governments I mentioned, Austalia can't afford to be without them

Edited May 30 by Jerry_Atrick

[nomadpete]

5 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I know they have acted as a buffer when Aussies have been dumb enough to elect Abo and SFM to power, but can Australia still afford state givernments?

 

Maybe because of the last two governments I mentioned, Austalia can't afford to be without them

Are you saying Australia can't afford not to be One Nation?

[facthunter]

Why have everything governed centrally? States that do good things get copied, Local Gov't is the one that generally underperforms.  Nev

[red750]

Now they're talking about redeveloping Richmond Train Station, including a number of residential towers, While the station could do with an update, and residential property is badly needed, with the current state debt, can we afford it?

[Jerry_Atrick]

What is the cost.. and is any money to be made from developing these residential towers - or are they all social with rents designed to fund ongoing maintenance and operating costs?

 

I am not sure how much Richmond station needs to be refreshed, but the state certainly needs housing, so it is a question of can the state afford not to do it?

 

However, I guess if the state can't fund c $3.8m/year for womens crisis housing: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/new-high-security-shelters-for-women-in-crisis-to-sit-empty-during-family-violence-epidemic-20250529-p5m36a.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_national (bhind a paywall, but turn off javascript), then things must be dire financially.

 

But, you forget, the Allan government has very little room to move. I am not saying she is great or anything like that, but her taking on the premiership was taking on a poisoned chalice. Yes, she was part of the Andrews' government and is partially to blame. But, Victoria's debt woes have been in the making for many years; the differnce being at least Andrews invested in the state - most necessary, but some not so. The economic performance of Napthine/Bailieau saw some minor increase in growth, mainly attributed to a population influx. However, debt continued to grow, productivity contracted and overall longer term investment slowed. At least Andrews' brought strong, albeit unsustained growth to Victoria and the money stayed more or less in the state. Allan has some real challenges now that the core Australian economy is slowing, the effects of COVID (some arguably self-inflicted). Remember Ted Baillieu (I will get the Spelling right) dramatcially resigned leaving a difficult economic predicament for Napthine, who was unceremoniously booted out by the electorate.

 

But,  we also forget, in terms of the Australian economy, the states have less direct control over the direction of their economy than the federal government. So, for Baillieau/Napthine, they had the same challenges. And this is the reason why I asked are state governments now effectively redundant? For example, although a lot of politics was made out of Andrews attempting a Victorian trade agreement with China (and I also disagree with that notion), it was overruled by the federal government and no challenge was made to the High Court about the constitional validity of either side (though the constitution is poretty clear it vests with teh federal government). Andrews say a way of improving growth an investment with a trade agreement with China - rightly or wrongly - but he couldn't pull that lever in an attempt improve the economy. State governments can't raise income tax, sales tax, etc.. Yet, they are responsible for education, health, legal systems (we have different laws in many areas per state), social services, etc.

 

So, can the Vic Labor government get any worse? Of course it can.. But it is not a Labor specific thing, except if you believe the press that has the highest concentration of ownerships which over-dramitises Labor and gives a free pass to the Lib/Nats..