What has Trump done now?

[facthunter]

Trump Demands it. That's how He was Brought up. W yuh Bush said " God speaks through my Mouth" and Other leaders said there's NO Point trying to TALK to THIS BLOKE. HE gets his orders from above. Separate RELIGION FROM Politics/Government. LOOK at the Places where they DON'T. You wouldn't want to live there. Nev

[Marty_d]

I've been reading the Joe Pickett series of books by C J Box.

They're a great read, following the adventures of a Wyoming game warden.  Well written, good pace, articulate.

It's obvious though from the protagonist's attitudes towards "coastal elites", renewable energy and politics in general that the author - no matter what their own politics - is painting a picture of middle America where god'n'guns reign supreme, oil and coal means jobs, and scientists and progressives are unwelcome.

 

In that environment, how do you change minds?

I'd suggest that the first place to start is political donation reform.  One of the reasons the Democrats lost is because they are seen (with some truth) as not caring about the average Joe, because they're beholden to their wealthy donors.  Any political party that takes donations does favour the donors - it's self evident.  So if you don't want to be seen as out of touch with the common man, you shouldn't take money from billionaires or big companies.

[facthunter]

You've summed it up pretty well, Marty.  EXCEPT about the Democrats. Their Policy was (If I recollect correctly Don Chips " Keep the Bastards Honest") Democrats  attracted the Trendy Suburban  Upper Middle class types I feel. A bit like the People who later voted green. 

  IF you follow the MONEY trail It's pretty  clear who looks after the TOP end of Town almost exclusively.. The same people who run the  Media. . AS a Business Model  "Serving the Rich" must pay better .

     THEY can show Gratitude and reward you better than the People who are short of Money AND struggling.  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

It cuts both ways to be honest. I joined a major Aussie party whe I was 16 with a glint in my eye and determined to change the world for the better. I rose fairlyy quicly locally to president of the branch (no real big deal), but on the selection committe for the local MP candidate (bigger deal) and state confereence delegate for both young movement and normal movement. Like any organisation, there are going to be differences of opinion, and I quickly learned what I thought was the right thing was not necessarily what others throught was the right thing, even amongst people with very similar ideologies. What i then learned was that many times, those differences of opinions were often helped by serving vested interests arising from the most unlikely places, some not even to do with monetary gain. Still, "untained and pure in thought", I contnued a bit more, arguing (alledgedly on fact) why this should change or that should remain, etc. until one evening meal, which I will never forget, but broke the camel's back and I quit politics forever.

 

It is now coming to 50 years ago (ouch) and I even remember some of the names. But I will never forget the laminated fake wood round tablles atop black metal frames on that red patterend carpet preferred by local Chinese restaurants at the time. I was chomping on a beef and black bean sauce dish, talkng to someone I looked up to and whom I thought we were almost ideologically joined at the hip. 

 

He was regaling his victoriy in achieving some outcome by virtually bringing a local organisation to its knees, and in achieving that outcome, straddled that organisation with immense debt and put its future in doubt. When I challenged him on the prucence of such a tactic, given that iof that organistion fails, the very people he fought to ensure a short term outcome for will long term lose, he conceded he was driven by, let's say, a personal relationship with someone, and a personal vedetta of another. I will never forget the perniciously serious but triumphant expression on his face as he told me this. 

 

I have written on these forums abut this before, but it was a stark lesson on life.. 

 

I should have moved to Burke or somewhere similar.

[red750]

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-health-walking-struggle-35775447?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1755864298

[Marty_d]

Explains some things 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/trump-staff-incompetent-sycophants

[red750]

Not now, but shows the nature of the being.

 

[facthunter]

He has made some GRAVE errors and HE "uses" People. Nev

[onetrack]

Trumps constant BS about reducing grocery and food costs for all Americans is starting to wear thin, as the cost of buying anything made out of beef in the U.S. has gone up 20%, since Trump's tariffs started to take effect.

The Australian beef producers are laughing all the way to the bank as the Americans keep importing Australian beef in huge amounts, despite the tariffs.

 

Australian beef exports to the U.S. rose 12% in July 2025, as compared to the level exported to the U.S. in June 2025. And the imports of U.S. beef to Australia, which Trump claimed would boom under his new trade rules, is at a level that is barely measurable.

 

https://www.watoday.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-is-having-the-last-laugh-on-trump-s-trade-beef-20250807-p5ml77.html

[old man emu]

Trump's latest Executive Order: renaming the Department of Defence. Now it's the Department of War. The reason? "Defence" is woke.

[Marty_d]

I laughed when he drew a correlation between the name and their success in war - apparently the US won every war up to and including WWII because it was named the "Department of War", and lost every war since because they changed it.

 

Kind of like comparing the release dates of Nicholas Cage movies with spikes in swimming pool death rates. There are clear similarities, but Nick is not to blame.

[nomadpete]

I thought they should rename the Ministry of Defense (MoD), 

To "The Ministry of Peace." 

Like everything a dictator does, it needs denial of reality.

[old man emu]

2 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

I thought they should rename the Ministry of Defense (MoD), 

To "The Ministry of Peace." 

Going back to 1984 ?

[nomadpete]

History......

 

United States War Department (also called War Office):-

 

Formed:-
    August 7, 1789;
236 years ago

 

Dissolved:-
    September 18, 1947; 77 years ago.

 

Superseding agencies:-
 
    National Military Establishment,
    Department of the Army,
    Department of the Air Force.

 

Department executive:-
    "Secretary of War"

 

(A civillian - not POTUS)

 

Why the name change? I don't get it. If Elon was still in charge, he'd stop this rot - it'll cost them millions to change all the documents, signage, imagewear, badges, etc.

[nomadpete]

8 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Going back to 1984 ?

Better that, than going back to the dark ages, OME

[old man emu]

1984 is a reference to Orwell's novel and follows on from nomadpete's it needs denial of reality.

[onetrack]

Dept of Offence would be a far better title. The Americans are the biggest offenders when it comes to warlike activities outside their own country. One has to ask how that American "democratisation" of Iraq is going, more than 20-plus years after invading the country to take down a bombastic dictator.

[Marty_d]

46 minutes ago, onetrack said:

... after invading the country to take down a bombastic dictator.

Who's going to return the favour?

[nomadpete]

8 hours ago, onetrack said:

Dept of Offence would be a far better title.

 

That title already applies to The Oval Office.

[Marty_d]

Hmm. Toilet bowls are white, oval, and sometimes have massive shits in them too.

[nomadpete]

2 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

Hmm. Toilet bowls are white, oval, and sometimes have massive shits in them too.

Are you saying the oval office resembles a toilet bowl?

 

Pretty sure there isn't much white there - the bathroom there is ornate gold by now, (only plated, of course. No depth to the glitz)

[nomadpete]

What Trump's done now.....

 

Whilst the dictators of the world (and Dan) - collectively described as 'the Axis of Upheaval', were watching the biggest military parade of the decade, little chump said:-

 

"Please give my warmest regards to Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong Un, as you conspire against the United States of America," Trump wrote on social media as the parade was underway.

 

If he starts WW3 will he announce it with a tweet?  Some statesman😞

Edited Sunday at 07:24 AM by nomadpete

[Jerry_Atrick]

Hmmm.. If he starts WW3? It's a good question. Because, for all his bluster, everything he is doing to destabilise things is largely local.

 

Question: Chump's America of ShittingPin's China?

 

Sadly, Europe (EU mainly) has once again shown itself to  be the soft-bellied coward it is. 

Edited Sunday at 07:41 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[red750]

His ICE (Immigration Control and Enforcement) have arrested something like 375 Korean workers from a Hyundai EV car battery factory in America.

[onetrack]

There goes Trumps aims of massive South Korean company investment in the U.S.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-07/what-to-know-about-a-large-scale-immigration-raid-at-a/105744870