Ben Roberts-Smith

[rgmwa]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

It's gonna be a show trial to appease the multiculturalists so Labor can get some badly needed votes from it.

The spotlight has now shifted from the Bondi murderer to Ben Roberts-Smith. I'm sure Ben's arrest was deliberately delayed to coincide with the Bondi murderer's long drawn out investigation. Can't blame an ethnic without an Anglo Aussie to blame also. Gotta balance things out a bit. That seems to be the unwritten motto in leftwing politics these days.

That's ridiculous conspiracy thinking nonsense.

 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, rgmwa said:

That's ridiculous conspiracy thinking nonsense.

 

Nah, I've been observing it for decades. While you guys might be concentrating on economics and the weather, I've been concentrating on the harmony and adhesion of a multicultural society, like we've got. One particular trait I've noticed is that Traditional Anglo Aussies' are not going to be allowed to be perfect, that they must be shown to be as bad as any other ethnic group for the sake of "Ethnic Equality". Ask any ethnic person other than an Anglo Aussie.

 

Ben's arrest was in the news on the same day as a report about the Bondi attacker's case. Ben's arrest was given big headlines (he wasn't even handcuffed), and overshadowed the report about the Bondi mass murderer (will he ever be convicted of anything? His crime was right before our eyes. Why isn't he in jail already, never to be released?)

 

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/more-time-sought-to-look-at-voluminous-evidence-in-alleged-bondi-terrorist-naveed-akrams-case-court/news-story/d9db319aa5ce51018ed1cf7d2dcf7a7f

[octave]

GON the BRS arrest didn't just happen out of the blue. Remember, he has already been found in his defamation case to have, on the balance of probabilities, committed the crimes he is now charged with, and this was long before the Bondi atrocity. Of course, being found civilly liable requires a lesser burden of proof than being found criminally liable. He does deserve the presumption of innocence in the criminal case until the verdict.

 

There is this narrative floating around the net that suggests if you don't proclaim his innocence, you are somehow not supporting the troops or unpatriotic.  The thing to remember is that these alleged crimes only came to light because 21 of his colleagues were willing to give evidence against him. Are we to suppose that these SAS soldiers formed such a conspiracy against him? I imagine it would have taken great courage for these soldiers to give evidence against him.

 

 

 

 

[Litespeed]

Are you suggesting the Bondi terror suspect is out free?

 

That's bullshit

[rgmwa]

16 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Nah, I've been observing it for decades. While you guys might be concentrating on economics and the weather, I've been concentrating on the harmony and adhesion of a multicultural society, like we've got. One particular trait I've noticed is that Traditional Anglo Aussies' are not going to be allowed to be perfect, that they must be shown to be as bad as any other ethnic group for the sake of "Ethnic Equality". Ask any ethnic person other than an Anglo Aussie.

Like I said, conspiratorial nonsense.

 

16 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Ben's arrest was in the news on the same day as a report about the Bondi attacker's case. Ben's arrest was given big headlines (he wasn't even handcuffed), and overshadowed the report about the Bondi mass murderer (will he ever be convicted of anything? His crime was right before our eyes. Why isn't he in jail already, never to be released?)

Naveed Akram is on remand waiting for his trial to start. In other words, he's in jail. There no doubt he's guilty because the whole country witnessed it, but there is a legal process to follow and it takes time. He's not going anywhere.  Linking the Ben Roberts-Smith arrest with the Akram reporting is more conspiratorial thinking. 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by rgmwa

[Marty_d]

Have you noticed it's only the really conservative right-wingers who are making pre-emptive statements of support for BRS?

 

Don't they trust the Australian legal system?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

It's the political elite that are not trusted. Ben's trial will likely run concurrent with the Bondi mass murderer's trial. I'm betting Ben's trial will be reported with a fervour that will keep the Bondi murderer almost invisible, as he almost is now.

[octave]

BRS trial could be more than a year away. This case will grind on for years, whereas I suspect the Bondi monster will be well and truly sentenced by then, I would imagine. There will be a bail review hearing on 17 April.  So no, your theory is not supported by facts.

 

Long-Term Estimates:

• Legal analysts note that cases of this magnitude "grind on for years".
• A comparison is often drawn to Oliver Schulz, the first Australian soldier charged with a war crime. He was charged in March 2023, but his trial is not expected until 2027, representing a roughly four-year gap from arrest to trial.
• If Roberts-Smith's case follows a similar trajectory, the trial might not begin until 2029 or 2030.

 

 

 

[old man emu]

Trial by Media. Here is an interesting video which raises some worrying points about post-arrest media sessions.

 

 

[Marty_d]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

It's the political elite that are not trusted. Ben's trial will likely run concurrent with the Bondi mass murderer's trial. I'm betting Ben's trial will be reported with a fervour that will keep the Bondi murderer almost invisible, as he almost is now.

Oh, sorry GON, I wasn't talking about you.

Talking about Tony Abbott, Pauline Hanson and Gina Reinhardt, all of whom are totally supporting him before the trial even starts.

[facthunter]

You're FULL of it GON., The ADF are not an arm of any gov't .Not like where Trump runs it though USE some FACTS and not just run your favourite conspiracy theory. He now faces Court where He will be tried. Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

58 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

Talking about Tony Abbott, Pauline Hanson and Gina Reinhardt, all of whom are totally supporting him before the trial even starts.

 

Anglo Aussies have to stick up for each other, no one else will. More so since the vast majority of Defense Force personnel are Traditional Anglo Aussies, who are susceptible to the hidden wrath of the ethnic community, for just being "Anglo". We get blamed for everything, even Bondi, according to Albo.

[octave]

Jeez, GON, you seem to be really hung up on race

[Marty_d]

Soooo... If it turns out that BRS did, in fact, kill unarmed civilians, you would be ok with that GON?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I'd be happy if the media pitbulls got off his back. He's totally innocent before any guilty verdict is announced, if it does.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

57 minutes ago, octave said:

Jeez, GON, you seem to be really hung up on race

So is the ABC .. specifically about Asians

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-15/need-for-diversity-in-australian-defence-forces/103207560

[octave]

8 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

So is the ABC .. specifically about Asians

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-15/need-for-diversity-in-australian-defence-forces/103207560

Seems reasonable to me. Recruit people who speak the language and understand the culture of those countries the defence forces are likely to engage with 

[Marty_d]

21 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

I'd be happy if the media pitbulls got off his back. He's totally innocent before any guilty verdict is announced, if it does.

He's a high profile person. Victoria Cross recipient. His uniform displayed in the War Memorial.

I agree he's innocent until proven guilty, but he did lose a recent libel suit, because the allegations were judged highly likely to be true.

So it's perhaps not surprising that these events are newsworthy.