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Just as an aside, how does anybody determine this? It would take a more complex survey than the vote itself to find out and so far, I don't know anybody who has been officially surveyed. I can't see how delaying the referendum could make it any less a waste?

At my local polling place - the local bowls club- it was decorated with ten metres of YES banner along the fence, and a couple of commercial YES placards. And there were two YES supporters and two NO supporters at the gate. In my opinion such spruikers should not be permitted. Anyway, when I brushed aside the YES how-to-vote leafelet that blocked my path, the lady quietly insulted me for not taking one. OK it wasn't a major problem. Maybe she really worked for the other side? I don't need to refer to a leaflet to remember how to write YES or No At least the NO guys were courteous.

Unfortunately one major hurdle to 'close the gap' is that 'fundamental mindset changes' refers to the need to improve the present day culture, so that it leads a positive lifestyle in the 21st century. The current culture is crook. Stuck between two eons. There is probably a significant race memory (developed as a product of the planets longest running cilture) which influences the traits of the people. That length of cultural history cannot be changed in a mere handful of generations.

My wife's summary..... The outcome of the vote had nothing to do with race. The outcome had nothing to do with party politics. The NO voters voted no, because they don't trust the government to use the voice properly. The Yes voters voted yes because..... the government couldn't be trusted in the past.

I have seen examples in remote communities, just like that story. All the best intentions fail at the grass roots end, not at the top. I doubt that the voice would have made any difference to the reality of remote indigenous community life. It would take brave cleansing of a number of departments and councils to really improve things. But the voice would have given us the opportunity to say 'Well, you don't like the way we did it, let's see how you go steering your own ship.'

Spacey, I think that every elected MP should be given the task of filling out, just once, of filling out every form that his department produces. And is only allowed to use the publicly available website as guidance. And like centrelink, have his pay stopped each time he is two days late in submitting his pay request.

Octave, both sides made this mistake, in their own ways. And that, in my opinion, was what started the polarisation.

And Victorians live in a place they call Malbun

And Aussies live in a place they call Orztraya

I feel that people are trying to blame the referendum outcome on patisan following, (Dutton said...) or are poorly educated. Or fall for media manipulation. The implication being that anybody who voted 'no' is weak willed, bigoted and just plain dumb. I think that is insulting. There are many who do see through the manipulation and voted no for their own reasons. For instance I see comment that western Sydney mainly voted 'no' and it is mostly lower educated and Labor. Does it occur to anybody, that that area is mostly populated my multicultural recently migrated people? Might that demographic influence the attitude of a large sector? My point being that the vote DOES give government a reading of the people's will and each voter has their own reasons for their vote. Divided? Yes. But accept that almost half of Australians do want a indigenous voice TO BE HEARD in our government. BTW I am respecting 'no' voters in spite of personally voting 'yes'

And Mrs Claus lets Santa work all year in a workshop filled with elves! Lucky sod!

By that logic, Santa Claus is superceded by google.

I understand your logic, but my personal experience differs to a degree. When I used to ride fire trails and power line easments south of Sydney (for fun) I often came across burnt out cars. I assumed them to be joyriders trying to see how far they coud go on these rough tracks. Fire brigades would never reach them even if they were called. I have seen the car in front of me catch fire whilst in bumper to bumper traffic. In remote areas. When a car breaks down or even gets a flat tyre, the indigenous occupants leave it beside the road and a couple of days later it is a burnt out wreck - fire brigades don't bother to turn out for them. These are small personal anecdotes. And as I noted before, petrol/diesel car fires are similar to EV fires in as much as they all burn until the fuel source is depleted. We never managed to extinguish a car fire until the fuel finished burning. The fumes are extremely toxic, too. The only difference I see with EV's is that the initial fire is far more intense than petrol/diesel.

Disclaimer: I do not recommend or suggest the use of an unlicensed transmitter. However, in a life threatening emergency the risk of a fine seems secondary to saving lives.

I would only fire it up with a dummy load. Also, 2182Khz 8364Khz are international distress frequency, and is continuously monitored. 4182Khz is Russian T marker. Inside, look for a line of crystals with the frequencies stamped on top. The older radios had operational frequency set by crystals. New crystals can be bought to operate on Australian frequencies if you want to make the radio useful in an emergency. HF is still used, and would always be an option when the mobile phones and NBN go down in a bushfire, flood or cyclone.

He knows if you've been naughty....

Valid point OME. However it is also true that many of those stolen vehicle fires are not reported due to the vehicles burning out in bushland. My point is that of the many, many vehicle fires, it seems that the EV fires are the ones that get hysterical media reporting. I call that bias. Whether ICE or EV, vehicle fires cannot be extinguished until all the fuel has burned. In ICE the fuel is usually held in a plastic fuel tank. At vehicle fires I have attended, (so far only liquid fuelled) we only poured water on to prevent collateral fires spreading from the car.

Wille, if you are interested, many radio workshops should be able to test a hF on the bench, using a dummy load. They should be able to confirm the operability of the unit. As an aside, it would need to have crystals fitted if it is the older style, or perhaps need some software to set up the frequencies if it is newer.

Taking the devils advocate positioned on this hysteria..... No denying, motor vehicles are a fire hazard. Just look at the statistics. Note that all recent media coverage about car fires ignores the existing very significant risk of non-electric vehicles being involved in vehicle fires. The following table provide a limited snapshot of vehicle fire-related incidents in NSW (sourced on https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/😞 2018/19 2019/20 2020/21 NSW Vehicle Fires 3,214 3,010 2,942 NSW Total Fires 22,321 22,013 17,703 % of vehicle fires 14.4% 13.7% 16.6% As you can see motor vehicle fires represent a large percentage (around 15%) of all fires attended by the NSW Fire Department. So we have an average of 3,000 vehicle fires (vastly liquid fuelled) yet MSM gets hysterical about a few rare EV fires. Bias?

Spacey, HF always was great for long distances and it remains now as it was. The high end HF (27Mhz) was pretty much canned, and is replaced by VHF which generally has better resuts up to 50nM.(not counting erratic skip that 27Mhz sometimes had). I only use VHF (50Km range). But if I plan to go greater distances than 50k offshore, I would consider HF. Meanwhile, radio AIS (marine version of ATSB) gives me situational awareness of most other craft (course, speed, track, time to collision) and general collision avoidance. Pity that the aviation industry failed to agree on simple stuff like this which is affordable to the average boaters. Would be nice on an aircraft.

Well, To my mind, a hand held two way radio is by definition a "unmounted portable device" and therefore could incur a penalty for use whilst the vehicle is moving. Hence my question. Further, it could be argued that a installed two way radio is a device that has become part of the vehicle. But the mic is not affixed to the vehicle, and could be considered "unmounted " when it is in my hand. PS: a mobile phone is really just a fancy handheld portable two way radio.

Sorry for continuing the digression, but, do these laws prohibit the use of a hand held CB or other radio? Or the microphone of a dash mounted radio - although the radio is mounted, the microphone is not?

The new US version has special features.....

Hot cross buns?