The impact of Immigration

[Brendan]

On 22/04/2026 at 8:15 AM, Marty_d said:

I would be very interested to know how immigrants have affected people PERSONALLY. 

There's a lot of anti-immigration rubbish on here. It's all general.

Personally, in my team at work there are 3 people who emigrated to Australia. They're hard workers and good people.

So I'm interested why people have a problem with Australia's current immigration regime.

Is it because of the stories in the Murdoch press?

Is it because you want a simple scapegoat for complex societal problems like house prices?

Or have you been personally impacted by immigration?

Its the uncontrolled immigration.

Albo is importing thousands of new voters that hate our way of life as much as he and his leftie mates.

 

[onetrack]

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Albo is importing thousands of new voters that hate our way of life as much as he and his leftie mates

Where's your official references to this sweeping extreme right wing claim? - apart from regular One Nation outbursts?

[octave]

28 minutes ago, Brendan said:

Its the uncontrolled immigration.

Albo is importing thousands of new voters that hate our way of life as much as he and his leftie mates.

 

 

I think it is crucially important that, whatever our views are, we try hard to present information that is accurate.  The problem with a meme is that it can say anything, true, partially true or false, and this somehow becomes fact. 

 

Incorrect reporting of ABS data fuelling false claims Australia has a mass migration problem

 

 

The report’s authors say that public commentators, activists and some media outlets are incorrectly using Permanent and Long-Term (PLT) movement data, which is collected by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS), to claim Australia has a ‘migration problem’ and distort public understanding. 

 

This is despite repeated, clear comments from the ABS that PLT does not measure migration but instead records people coming in and out of Australia, and includes tourists, temporary visa holders, returning residents and repeated short absences. 

 

ANU Professor Alan Gamlen explains that net overseas migration (NOM) — the number of migrants arriving in Australia minus the number of migrants departing Australia — is in fact falling sharply and has been since June 2023.

 

 

 

 

 

Approximately 838 people were added to Australia's population each day through net migration during the 2024–25 financial year [5.18, 5.21].

This daily figure is derived from Net Overseas Migration (NOM), which measures the number of people arriving in Australia minus those departing [5.27, 5.33]. It is the most accurate official measure for population growth, as it only counts individuals who stay in the country for at least 12 out of 16 months [5.27, 5.33]. 

 

Recent Migration Statistics (Daily Breakdown)

• Net Overseas Migration (NOM): In the 2024–25 financial year, NOM was 306,000, averaging roughly 838 people per day [5.18, 5.21]. This was a decrease from the record high of 538,000 (approx. 1,474 per day) seen in 2022–23 [5.21].
• Gross Migrant Arrivals: About 1,556 people arrived daily (568,000 annually) in 2024–25 [5.18, 5.21]. However, many of these arrivals were offset by the roughly 720 people who departed daily during the same period [5.18, 5.21].
• Permanent vs. Temporary: Of the daily arrivals, only about 252 people per day (92,000 annually) arrived on permanent visas, while the majority were on temporary visas, such as international students [5.3]. 

 

Distinguishing Different Data Measures

Reports often cite different numbers depending on the metric used:

• Official NOM (Population Growth): Currently averages around 838–933 per day based on the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) [5.27, 5.33].
• Net Permanent and Long-term (NPLT) Arrivals: This is a "raw" measure of border crossings often used as an early indicator [5.13, 5.32]. It is typically higher (sometimes cited as 1,160 to over 3,400 per day in specific record months like February) but can be misleading because it may count the same person multiple times if they travel frequently [5.1, 5.2, 5.11, 5.33]. 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by octave

[facthunter]

Lousy source of information, Brendan.   Nev

[Brendan]

30 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Where's your official references to this sweeping extreme right wing claim? - apart from regular One Nation outbursts?

Look it up. 100000 people in February alone.

You lefties will never admit there is a problem 

[octave]

Are there immigration figures for feb 2026?

 

Short answer: not yet in a clean “monthly immigration” sense for February 2026—but there are related figures you can use, depending on what you mean.

 Monthly “arrivals” (closest thing available)

The Australian Bureau of Statistics publishes monthly Overseas Arrivals and Departures (OAD) data.

• Latest release goes up to January 2026, not February yet
• Even when February is released, this dataset counts border crossings, not actual migrants (people can enter/leave multiple times)

👉 So: you can get February 2026 arrivals eventually, but it won’t equal “immigration”.

[facthunter]

Brendan, Wake up to yourself. This $#!t  doesn't help the Forum. . Nev

[old man emu]

You are required by law to enrol if you: ■ are 18 years of age or older ■ are an Australian citizen, and ■ have lived at your current address for at least a month.

 

The gain Australian citizenship a person has to have been living here for four years, including one year being a permanent resident. Given the four year wait, a governing Party is not going to be importing supporters given the three year term of parliament. So I say that allegation of vote rigging does not stand up.

 

What annoys me is that is seems a very large number of immigrants, especially from India, do not have teh qualifications or skills the country requires. I will concede that a lot of qualified immigrants cannot use their skills because of our laws that make it hard for qualifications gained overseas to be recognised. I suppose that is why we have foreign students gaining qulaifications here and then applying for residency and eventually citizenship.

[octave]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

What annoys me is that is seems a very large number of immigrants, especially from India, do not have teh qualifications or skills the country requires.

I guess we need to look at facts and figures rather than perception.  When we think of immigrants, let's say from India, we tend to think of Uber or DoorDash rather than an engineer or a doctor.  I am not sure what the stats would show.

 

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

I suppose that is why we have foreign students gaining qulaifications here and then applying for residency and eventually citizenship.

The music studios I have worked at have a high percentage of people who study music in Australia.   The reason is that these music schools have a tough time finding qualified, reliable teachers.  There is no bias towards employing people from other countries. Having managed one of these places myself, I can tell you that it is a case of "are you qualified? Are you reliable? Are you good at it?  I have loads of ex-colleagues who came here as students and became productive members of society, and therefore were able to become permanent residents.  It may well be different is some other industries.

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, octave said:

we tend to think of Uber or DoorDash rather than an engineer or a doctor.

Unfortunately for some of these people with qualifications gained overseas, our, one might say "racist", professional bodies do not accept them. Threfore, while the immigrant awaits acceptance of their qualifications, they have to do menial tasks. I knew of a radiologist who had to wok as an aged care worker because his qualificatins had not been accepted at the time I knew him. In fact, when I last saw him he was starting a cleaning business. His wife's nursing qualificatins had been accepted and she was in employment.

[octave]

12 minutes ago, old man emu said:

I knew of a radiologist who had to wok

Your typo amuses me 😁

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Actually, it was 2025 that saw the highest number of immigrants, a record number.

 

I've received phone calls from Indians, male and female, from various companies, and honestly, I couldn't understand a word they were saying, I had to guess and throw in some words and phrases of my own, fishing for a simple yes or no response attempting to get a clue about the reason for the phone call. What should have taken two minutes in most cases, took about twelve minutes.

[pmccarthy]

One side in this discussion “attacks the man” (ad hominem) rather than accepting that there are differing views. Why is that? Why do lefties get so enraged? Go back and read through this or many other threads and you will see what I mean. A statement that may be right, wrong biased or reasonable or just an opinion leads to a vicious response.

[facthunter]

IF you are referring to ME I stand by my questions which were not at any stage addressed.  There's enough Misinformation out there to tolerate without it being deliberately Published HERE... I will call it out any time it Happens .  It's easily fixed. Stop doing it and calling people you don't Like, Lefties. I cop that one all the time. . Nev

[octave]

9 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

One side in this discussion “attacks the man” (ad hominem) rather than accepting that there are differing views. Why is that? Why do lefties get so enraged? Go back and read through this or many other threads and you will see what I mean. A statement that may be right, wrong biased or reasonable or just an opinion leads to a vicious response.

I have just briefly scanned through the entire thread, and I am not sure I see ad hominem attacks, certainly no more than usual. Perhaps you could highlight them for me.

 

You then talk about lefties, which doesn't personally bother me, but I am sure you don't mean it as a compliment.

 

[octave]

32 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Actually, it was 2025 that saw the highest number of immigrants, a record number.

This is not an ad hominem attack, just merely reporting facts. If there are alternative sources, then I am more than happy to consider them.

 

This is the best “headline” number (arrivals minus departures).

• 2022–23: ~536,000 → highest on record
• 2023–24: ~429,000 → still extremely high
• 2024–25: ~306,000 → fell significantly

👉 So by this main measure, 2025 was not the highest—it was already coming down from a post-COVID surge.