The Bloody Fool has gone too far He's started a War!

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

10 hours ago, facthunter said:

Documents signed under DURESS are not valid

Funny you should say that, thanks for pointing that out. What it means is, the documents I had to sign when I was conscripted into the Army weren't valid either. I was under duress of a two year jail sentence.

 

Had I used my noggin, I wouldn't have signed them. 

[red750]

Trump announces US land strikes on drug cartels in Mexico and chillingly declares his 'own morality' is the only limit on his unchecked global power after Maduro capture

 

 

Read the report here.

[nomadpete]

22 minutes ago, red750 said:

his 'own morality' is the only limit on his unchecked global power

I think there is a misspelling in that sentence.

 

'Own mortality' looks more like it.

[nomadpete]

Besides, it's not a war if nobody is fighting back.

[red750]

5 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

I think there is a misspelling in that sentence.

You're right. It was a copy and paste I didn't check.

[Jerry_Atrick]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Funny you should say that, thanks for pointing that out. What it means is, the documents I had to sign when I was conscripted into the Army weren't valid either. I was under duress of a two year jail sentence.

 

Had I used my noggin, I wouldn't have signed them. 

That's thie thing about life. Ship happens. Pick yourself up, learn from it, and move on.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

That's th*e thing about life. Shi*t* happens. Pick yourself up, learn from it, and move on.

Correcting your spelling there.

 

I knew very little about solicitors then, if anything at all, at 20 years of age. None were assigned to us, we were just bullied into signing without any legal representation.

 

This happened in Australia, but somehow you think that that was OK. However, not in the US, oh no, it's not allowed to happen there!

[onetrack]

The definition of "duress" is being forced to commit a crime under a physical threat of some kind, that makes you feel you cannot avoid committing that crime without incurring physical injury, or by psychological pressure, which is the same as a threat of physical injury, but done with mind pressure.

 

You can claim a defence to any crime committed, if you can show it was carried out under duress.

 

But National Service is not duress, because no crime is being committed. You are obliged to carry out National Service as a obligation, as a citizen of your country, and where legislation authorising National Service has been enacted. If you had claimed conscientious objection to serving in the military, you could have avoided serving in Australia's military forces.

 

[red750]

I reread the article. It mentions morality, not mortality, three times. It should all be over, he has no morality.

 

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, red750 said:

I reread the article. It mentions morality, not mortality, three times. It should all be over, he has no morality.

 

Yes, I was taking the pyss.

 

To point out that the Groper seems devoid of moral, but at least is mortal.

[facthunter]

HE wants to be IMMORTAL and Loved and Admired. That IS Fairly Normal, but to PUNISH and VILIFY People who don't  WORSHIP  HIM is not the Correct way to win their Hearts and Minds, Acceptable or Legal. He's going to do a LOT of DAMAGE before this is Over. USA's reputation is shattered. Trump Cannot be trusted. He's TOO Vain and Greedy. Nev

[onetrack]

You forgot the "totally corrupt" part of his character.

[facthunter]

I agree with Everything his Niece, Mary Trump, wrote. I even bought the Book she Wrote. Lots of People have borrowed it.  Mike Pence (HIS Original VP choice) is NOT wrapped in what He's doing. Nev

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[Grumpy Old Nasho]

12 hours ago, onetrack said:

The definition of "duress" is being forced to commit a crime under a physical threat of some kind

You're conveniently forgetting ... the government threatened us with a two year jail sentence for non-compliance. If that doesn't constitute "duress", then what does?

 

 

[onetrack]

Read carefully what I wrote previously. It is NOT duress. You not being pressured into committing a crime, by presenting for National Service under a law brought in by a democratic Govt.

 

https://www.ag.gov.au/crime/publications/commonwealth-criminal-code-guide-practitioners-draft/part-23-circumstances-which-there-no-criminal-responsibility/division-10-circumstances-involving-external-factors/102-duress

 

I do agree that National Servicemen who did not serve overseas should receive more Govt benefits, to compensate for interruption to other plans you may have made during the conscription period, and to compensate for possibly lower earnings during your military service. Most National Servicemen I know who never served in a War Zone are unhappy people.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

On 10/01/2026 at 1:59 PM, onetrack said:

Read carefully what I wrote previously. It is NOT duress. You not being pressured into committing a crime, by presenting for National Service under a law brought in by a democratic Govt.

The Government was immune from any criminality. That was the problem.

 

Threatening us with a two year jail sentence was not a "democratic" act, it was a criminal act. We needed genuine legal representation to advise us about the unseen consequences of submitting to that threat. 

 

That threat caused duress and extreme anxiety among all law-abiding 20 yr/olds. I felt I was under duress for the whole two years, always feeling I'd be punished for slipping up.

 

We got nothing for that two years, and that was another criminal act.

 

A sane definition of "duress" .... not the Government's insane definition.

duress | djʊˈrɛs, ˈdjʊərɪs | noun [mass noun] threats, violence, constraints, or other action used to coerce someone into doing something against their will or better judgement.• Law constraint illegally exercised to force someone to perform an act. • archaic forcible restraint or imprisonment.                                                  ↓   

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Resisting conscription - William White.

 

 

 

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[facthunter]

Get ON with your Life GON, OR you won't be any Use to anyone. I say this as someone who cares. Going to Vietnam would be WORSE. You won't have to Look TOO Hard to find someone Dealt a worse deal.  Those Blokes  returning, were treated abominably. I know quite a few of them. Serving People in any war suffer and can't fit Back into Society. It's NOT their Fault . Give it a try, MATE. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

9 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

The Government was immune from any criminality. That was the problem.

That is not true. Government and its representatives can be criminally responsible. If it was unconstitutional, it could have been challenged in the courts, and lawyers even then, looking for their next fee and publicity would have approached many to commence an action. 

9 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Threatening us with a two year jail sentence was not a "democratic" act, it was a criminal act. We needed genuine legal representation to advise us about the unseen consequences of submitting to that threat. 

The government is elected democratically and makes laws on behalf of those who elect it. Therefore it was democractically done. The constitution (includes the writtten constitution, the body of conventions, and the developed case law to that point) defines the powers and obligations of the government. If it was unconstitutional, it would have been against the law. An action could have been brought against the government. In fact, apparently there were many challenges to the High Court, with the focus of the interpretation of the law rather than whether it was constitutional. No doubt, as part of those challenges, if the legal opinion was that it  was unconstitutional, especially given the controversy at the time, it would have been constitutionally challenged. 

 

Your perception of a threat is sort of illogical. A valid law will may have consequences of not complying with that law. That is the same, say for not acquiring a licence to drive. You may be the best driver in the world, but if you do not fulfill your obligation to have a current drivers licence at the time of driving you will be fined and/or imprisoned. If you do not have a valid excuse for performing your duties under the law, you will have a consequence (usually). If you consider it a threat, I suppose every possible criminal punishment is a threat. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

We needed genuine legal representation to advise us about the unseen consequences of submitting to that threat. 

In the context of the above, this is illogical, except that one of the things you will have learned is to seek legal advice on situations where you believe you have been wronged, even by government or its agencies. 

 

9 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

That threat caused duress and extreme anxiety among all law-abiding 20 yr/olds. I felt I was under duress for the whole two years, always feeling I'd be punished for slipping up.

You wouldn't be punished for slipping up (i.e. a genuine mistake), You would be punsihed for intentionally not complying. This is called the guilty mind or mens rea. It is an element that is required to be proved of most crimes. You may have been anxious and felt you were under duress, however, these may have been grounds for being excluded. Did you review what the exclusions were and what your options were? If not, maybe that is a lesson learned. 

 

9 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

We got nothing for that two years, and that was another criminal act.

Did you not receive shelter, food, clothing and pay. Did you not learn practical skills or the like? (Genuine question). 

 

Your definition of duress is correct, but in the context it was the punishment for not meeeting your legal obligations, which is almost everywhere in the law. However, I do get that this was not for safety or the well being of society, so I agree, it was not right. But there is little you can do now, except take the learnings from it as positives and move forward.