Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

[facthunter]

In the arm, I believe.   With Luck He will get a Bravery award. Nev

[Marty_d]

Deserves the highest honour. To disarm a gunman with no weapon yourself, plus have the presence of mind to put the weapon down afterwards so the cops don't shoot you.

[onetrack]

What gets me, is the younger of the terrorists was under investigation for links to IS and Islamic extremism, 6 yrs ago! Yet they claim they had no reason to suspect he would go on a terrorism rampage?

And the father was issued with a licence for 6 firearms? For what reason? He lived in a SW Sydney suburb! And his family are obviously radical Muslims? Heads should roll over the security agencies and police failures here.

 

So, now we know - if you're a European living in the country, with a desire to have legal firearms to control vermin, you can't have them, because the Govt sees no reason for you to have them.

 

But if you're a Muslim extremist, living in the suburbs, with no real reason to own any firearms, that's O.K., you're entitled to own 6 or 10 or a dozen firearms, because you've presented good reasons to own them. Like carrying out terrorist attacks. Makes perfect sense, according to Govt lawmakers.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-15/bondi-beach-attack-gunmen-father-and-son/106142630

 

Edited 9 hours ago by onetrack

[red750]

3 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I am sorry, Peter, I cannot agree

Your are entitled to your opinion. As far as I'm concerned, these useless pieces of shit are not worth worrying about. Pure oxygen thieves. The world is better off without them.

 

I know the world is concerned what is happening to the Jews and the fallout from Oct 7, but who is caring about the thousands who have been killed and injured in Gaza with the endless attacks by IDF. Those people (ordinary Gazans, not Hamas) are entitled to live as well, and their relatives are suffering like the Jews. Religion has so much to answer for. It's supposed to make us better people.

 

The Bondi hero has been named as 43-year-old Ahmed al Ahmed. Regarded around the world as a great hero.

[facthunter]

Why is the Family OBVIOUSLY Radical Moslems?  Thank DOG I'm ATHEIST and can still THINK. There are Moslem atheist's too.  In the NAME of numerous GODS great EVILS are Perpetrated. Religion is USED as a means of firing up HATE. Not always of course. Blessed are the Peacemakers for they will see the Kingdom of God. THOU  Shalt NOT KILL. JC wasn't Rich or ever sought to be. .  Nev

[onetrack]

Because they were supporters of IS, and had previously come to the attention of ASIO, after being linked to another Islamic terrorist, Isaac El Matari, who is currently serving a 7 yr jail sentence for organising a terrorist attack in Sydney.

 

Fortunately, El Matari's scheme was intercepted and he wasn't able to carry it out. No doubt, intercepted by pure accident, judging by the authorities competence shown in intercepting this attack.

[randomx]

l've only just heard about it. My God , what has become of our country , what a sad and disgusting thing.

From what l've read the guy tackled one gunman was just a civilian, where the bloody hell were the cops?,  and hth could the cops be shooting at them a good 5-6 minutes from what l understand yet not have killed both at 1 minute, less  !

Second thing l'd like to know not that any of us can do anything about it but what are these people even doing in our country and with the immigration the fools we have in at the moment have done last 3-4yrs there's probably 100s of 1000s more of them here now , minimum.

Edited 6 hours ago by randomx

[randomx]

Tbh , l feel like saying well Australia, congratulations.  Been trying so hard with the awe of it all in trying to become a baby America well guess what , your almost there. Matter of fact considering our population in comparison and all the other violence we have of late, l'd say we are there- well well done.

[onetrack]

RandomX, the SW Sydney suburbs, starting with Lakemba and since extending out into adjoining suburbs such as Liverpool, Merrylands, and Casula, are a hotbed of Islamic criminal Lebanese, who entered Australia in 1975-76, as "refugees", from the civil war in Lebanon during that period.

 

These suburbs are "Crime Central" for gangsterism, illegal tobacco importation, global drug dealing, car theft and rebirthing on a huge scale, and even internet scams and insurance fraud. There are multiple surnames constantly popping up on Police files.

Alameddine, Hamzy, Khalil, Hauochar, Zakaria, Younes, Saab, and dozens of other Lebanese surnames feature large in the major crime scene in Australia - and globally. It's also no accident these people are almost always Muslim extremists.

These SW Sydney Lebanese crime gangs have infiltrated every level of Govt and business, and forged links with local Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs as well.

 

What few people know today, is that these criminal thugs were nearly all in jail when the civil war in Lebanon was being fought. The Syrian Army controlled a large area of Lebanon at the time, and rapidly came to realise these hoods were of little use to them, or to Lebanon. They are full-time permanent criminals.

So, the Syrian Army Generals devised a plan. They destroyed all these thugs jail records, and released them from the jails in Lebanon, and told them to apply for entry to Australia - or else.

 

So they did exactly that. But when they all rolled up at Sydney, requesting entry as "refugees" from the war, the Immigration Dept at that time, denied them entry, as no background checks could be carried out on them, thanks to the Syrian Armys move of destroying all their criminal records.

The Migration Act 1958, says anyone requesting entry to Australia must be of good character. And their background must be verified by Immigration officials. However, Malcolm Fraser, PM at the time, over-rode the Immigration Depts refusal to allow these thugs in - and they were allowed in by Fraser to settle, and then again start up their criminal activities again.

 

I have little doubt that links will be found between these two terrorists and the SW Sydney crime gangs - either familial or in previous criminal "arrangements" between these Lebanese criminals.

 

Quite a number of these crims are already back in jail, either here or overseas. The Govt needs to face up to the fact that these criminal families are of zero value to Australia, and they should all be declared "persona non grata" and deported to some lonely unihabitated islands. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alameddine_crime_network

[randomx]

You see, this is who they're letting in and trying to tell us we have to be multicultural when half the countries half of them at least are coming from , can't even get along with ea other. Makes me sick to the stomach.

Just saw the vid of the hero tackling one gunman , where the fk were the cops. A woman , a woman , ran in to be by his side, meanwhile the other gunman was in v v clear site up on the other part of the bridge.

What someone could film it all, both of them , but what , the cops couldn't even hit em, either of them. Watch the clip both gunman are sitting ducks even the one near the tree tackled . lf someone could film them both clear as day what they're telling us the cops couldn't even hit them. l could've hitem with a bloody shangeye.

 

[onetrack]

The problem with letting rip with a firearm in a crowded area is the chances of hitting someone innocent is very high - either from richochet, or from the bullets passing through the thug, and hitting someone else, further on.

 

In addition, the short barrelled firearms the Police are equipped with, are really only accurate to about 25-30 metres - and even then, the person firing the weapon must steady themselves to ensure even a modest level of accuracy.

 

You'll note the terrorists used long-barrelled firearms and steadied themselves when firing - but even at that, they fired over 100 rounds, and hit only less than half that number of victims.

 

We had 9mm handguns in the Army, and I can tell you this much, very few blokes could hit a hat with one at just 25 metres. Short barrels do nothing for accuracy, the Americans rely on lots of ammunition, in the hope they actually hit their target.

[red750]

With the father dead, we may never know what caused the gunmen to take the action they did. Was it purely ideological hatred of Jewish people, or could it be that they have lost numerous family members in Gaza through Netanyahu's genocide that tipped them over the edge. Netanyahu has been charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity,  for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024. And yet he has the nerve to lecture us, 

 

I don't condone their actions in any way, but one can understand their reaction when these IDF actions continue unabated, while the world heaps pity on the Jews. We condemn Putin for trying to grab territory from Ukraine, but say it is OK for Israel to grab territory on the West Bank.

[old man emu]

Before the shooters were ethnically identified, I thought that they might be White Supremists. That possibility was equally likely. 

 

The problem with all these attacks by an individual upon crowds is that the one individual can cause multiple injuries if adequately prepared. How do the Authorities identify that one dangerous individual within a population?  How would you react to having our Authorities delving deep into your life. Take GON as an example. No one can deny that his beliefs are the opposite of most of us here. But think about this. He has only expressed his beliefs on this forum recently. Whom anongst us has any knowledge of his behaviour prior to his joining this forum? For all we know, he might rise early next election day and be waiting for the doors of the polling station to open so he can cast a vote for his local Labor candidate. His current postings give no indication that he might be thinking of doing that. The rest of us will expect him to stay at home and not vote in any way. Until election day is over, we will not be certain of what he decides to do. Similarly, I can't be certain of what any other of you will do on election day.

 

One also has to remember that, in most cases, thinking about doing something illegal does not create an offence.  Action can only be taken when the offender is in the act of committing an offence, or has committed an offence.

Law Enforcement (Powers and Responsibilities) Act 2002 No 103 Part 8 Sub Part 100   Power of other persons to arrest without warrant

(1)  A person (other than a police officer) may, without a warrant, arrest a person if—

(a)  the person is in the act of committing an offence under any Act or statutory instrument, or

(b)  the person has just committed any such offence, or

(c)  the person has committed a serious indictable offence for which the person has not been tried.

 

Technically, the person who disarmed the shhoter at Bondi was effecting an arrest. Unfortunatley, the shooter eascaped from that arrest.

 

 

[red750]

Ahmed el-Ahmed showed incredible self control in not firing on the gunman when he had the gun, at least in the legs to prevent him from running away.

[Marty_d]

4 hours ago, onetrack said:

What gets me, is the younger of the terrorists was under investigation for links to IS and Islamic extremism, 6 yrs ago! Yet they claim they had no reason to suspect he would go on a terrorism rampage?

And the father was issued with a licence for 6 firearms? For what reason? He lived in a SW Sydney suburb! And his family are obviously radical Muslims? Heads should roll over the security agencies and police failures here.

 

So, now we know - if you're a European living in the country, with a desire to have legal firearms to control vermin, you can't have them, because the Govt sees no reason for you to have them.

 

But if you're a Muslim extremist, living in the suburbs, with no real reason to own any firearms, that's O.K., you're entitled to own 6 or 10 or a dozen firearms, because you've presented good reasons to own them. Like carrying out terrorist attacks. Makes perfect sense, according to Govt lawmakers.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-15/bondi-beach-attack-gunmen-father-and-son/106142630

 

There are improvements that can be made to the gun laws.

There should be a national database for a start.

What I look forward to is finding out why ASIO apparently doesn't data match with state firearm registers and advise state police forces when an immediate family member, or close associate, of someone who has clear links to a terrorist organisation owns firearms.

[Marty_d]

3 minutes ago, red750 said:

Ahmed el-Ahmed showed incredible self control in not firing on the gunman when he had the gun, at least in the legs to prevent him from running away.

I think he took the gun when the shooter had emptied the magazine, so he wouldn't have been able to.

Pity he didn't smack him in the head with the butt though. Still, damn good job and I hope Mr El-Ahmed is given our highest medal.

[red750]

A number of Go-Fund-Me pages have been set up for donations, and a billionaire has reportedly donated $99,999.99 to one fund.

[randomx]

l'd still like to ask the cops wth weren't you doing that or at least helping the guy seems he did your jobs for you , instead you let a woman go in.

And yaknow, those hand guns then , it that's the case wth then don't they send marksmen out with rifles, wth don't the cops have rifles in their car and be trained with them as well as useless pee shooters.

These calls could come anytime 24/7 , every cop car should have a rifle in it just encase , pussy bloody typical Australian hands tied behind their back nanny rules for our coppers.

Edited 3 hours ago by randomx

[red750]

I know this is one of the most momentous things to happen in Australia for many years, but it gets a bit much with the TV stations abandoning all other programming and running multiple repeats of the same footage and interviews.

[old man emu]

46 minutes ago, randomx said:

l'd still like to ask the cops wth weren't you doing that or at least helping the guy seems he did your jobs for you , instead you let a woman go in.

And yaknow, those hand guns then , it that's the case wth then don't they send marksmen out with rifles,wth don't the cops have rifles in their car and be trained with them as well as useless pee shooters.

These calls could come anytime 24/7 , every cop car should have a rifle in it just encase , pussy bloody typical Australian hands tied behind their back nanny rules for our coppers.

Spoken by a person who has not the slightest knowledge of policing.

 

1. the guy seems he did your jobs for you

Prior to Sunday, all the local police command would have known about the event at Bondi Beach was that it would be occuring, and there would be a crowd, as well as the usual numbers enjoying the beach. No doubt extra police were engaged for general crowd control as would be normal for any large gathering. Refer to the gathering of people to march across the Harbour Bridge for political purpose earlier this year. Given the anonimity of the shooters, who could have known beforehand whart the shooters were planning?

 

In rostering police for duty on that day, the first requirement of the commander would be to have staff to meet those day-to-day calls for service. I would imaging that a lot of the police at Bondi Beach were supernumerary. In other words, they were police who otherwise would have been on regular days off and were offered a bit of overtime. It takes time for the situation to be identified and this information relayed through radio communication channels to commanders for orders to be created, delivered and acted upon. Even if specialist SWAT  police were on standby, it would have taken some time for them to reach the scene.

 

2.  seems he did your jobs for you

During the shooting the police present would have been occupied with locating the shooters. It is a big area with many high rise buildings surrounding it. Do yu tnk that you could positivley locate a shooter's position in the shock and awe of an unexpected attack. Just consider what would be going through your mind if you were witness to a motor vehicle collision. What would be your first positive action?

 

3. wth then don't they send marksmen out with rifles,

The police rostered for duty at the event would have been all on foot, moving about amongst the crowd to deal with minor incidents. A police command is not supplied with unlimited motor vehicles.  Vehicles attached to the local command would normally be kept availale for the normal general police duties, like domestics, shoplifters, motor vehicle collsions etc. The press reports show lots of police vehicles ate teh scene, but thos pictures would have been taken in the aftermath of teh actual shootings.

 

4. wth don't the cops have rifles in their car

You watch too many American TV shows and movies. Policing in Australia is not approached on a Wild West basis. That's because the public does not have a gun culture. How many people do you kow who do not have a firearm? Many, many more than those who do. There is no need for police performing typical day-to-day duties to have access to rifles. In my career, I only discharged my hand gun three times - once to euthanise a kangaroo at the request of a distressed lady who had hit it with her car; another time to euthanise at the request of the owner a horse which had disemboweled itself in a steel fence post, and a third time I took a pot shot at a fox.

 

5.  be trained with them as well as useless pee shooters

I have doubts that you have ever received firearms training, because a statement like that indicates that you have no experience in either simulated firearms training nor actual combat firarms training. One day per year to do a refresher course on the use of a pistol does not make a person a Dead-eye Dick. Likewise, the  effectiv use of a rifle is far more complicated. Perhaps GON can tell us how long it took a Nasho to qualify to use a rifle.

 

6.  And still it goes on. Remember the Lindt Cafe seige? The investigation and Coroner's Inquest into that took a very long time. How would you cope with the mental stress of being involved in something like that? Don't forget that the police at Bondi at the time of the shootings would have been junior police with not many years' experience. How would you cope with a traumatic situation of being in a field of fire without knowing where the firing was coming from, and seeing the dead and wounded laying bleeding around you?

 

All I can say is, do not make statements such as you have until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone who has.

 

 

 

 

 

[old man emu]

Watch the video

 

 

[randomx]

Actually, l've been shooting most of my life earlier on and as l said, every copper should be trained to use both, no big deal at all , if l can hit a bunny at 100mtrs away, easy, my dad could at 500mtrs, yaknow. ps, actually he could hit a bottle top at 500mtrs with one of his rifles. They don't even have to be marksman any ding dong could hit something the size of  a human.

There would've been at least a few cop cars there.

And look at where the gunman were, crikey they were even propped up higher on a bridge you'd see them a mile away.

Ah, don't watch American crap cop shows.

Anyway, long day, leave it with ya but even our police say their hands are tied in so many occasions , they need the nanny nod to do anything.

ps again , l suppose one area the world is lucky in is that most of these shooters don't seem to be able to hit a damn house at 50mtrs thank the Gods or these things would be far far worse.

Edited 1 hour ago by randomx

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, randomx said:

every copper should be trained to use both, no big deal at all

How long did it take you to attain the skill to hit a bunny at 50 metres? Police recruits come from the general population, and that is a population that has not experience handling nor operating firearms. Also police are only permitted to carry a firearm whilst actually on duty. They don't carry what the Yanks call a backup gun, and almost none would take up shooting as a hobby. That means that the vast majority would not hold firearms licences and be members of shooting clubs to attend ranges to practise regularly. 

 

Would you be able to do it, say in a competition where the prize was $10,000 for hitting the bunny? That would be a pretty good stressor to put you off your aim. It's one thing to become proficient at shooting at a safety range where that training would take place, but quite different shooting to avoid collateral damage in an area where people are running about in panic. The first rule of shooting is that you don't fire into an area where you could hit something that should not be hit.

 

By the way. I think that the video I posted was taken by a member of the public who was in a convenient place to film. It wasn't police video.