Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

[Jerry_Atrick]

My first school was Avondale Heights primary school, and to be honest, I can't recall anything there re anti-semitism. I finished there in Grade 2. Avondale Heights was a new family area/new estate at the time. My next school, was Kew East primary schoo, which was a middle class area of Melbourne, I was there for Grade 3 only, after which my parents split up (and eventually divorced). From Grade 4 to Grade 6 I was in Hadfield Primary School, My step father was a racist, but a particulalry ardent ant-semetic. I mean, almost a daily sermon on the problems with the world were down to Jews. 

 

If it were only him, fair enough - there will always be people with their pet hates. However, the pupils at the school were definitley generally anti-semetic. I am sure we have all joked about the miserly sterotype of a Jew in the saame way over here the Scots are joked about. But there was something vicious in their "joking". There was a real hatred in the way they would call someone a fucking Jew if they saved a penny, or were talking about things going on and could use the analogy. To my knowledge, there were no Jews at the school, and I doubt if anyone had ever met one.. Maybe some of the parents worked for some Jews as a lot of parents were factory workers at the time, and yes, Jews did own some of the factories in Coburg and Brunswick. This persited at Glenroy High School for the year I was there.  Both of these schools were in a lower socio-economic area.

 

At the end of the my first year at high school, living with my stepfather became too untenable, and although it broke my mother's heart, I moved in with my dad in Glen Huntly/Ormond - a middle class area. My father managed to get me into Caulfield Grammar School. a Church of England school, bang smack in the middle of a Jewish area of Melboune. The orthodox Jews kept largely to themselves, but I got to know a few secular Jews - some that went to Caulfield Grammar, and some that we just met. They were nothing like what my step father described. They were defintiely close knit, but I suppose circumstances dictated that somewhat. They were welcoming, and pretty well like most other people I know, with the same mannerisms, culture, etc. They didn't like Four n Twenty pies, though. 

 

But even at Caulfield Grammar, which had some kids of prominent Jews attend, there was some downright hatred and at least psychological abuse wielded. The teachers, however, were quick to shut it down. I do recall, a Cadet Under Officer (highest rank a student in the cadets could attain) went a bright shade of red, and the anger in his face when someone even uttered the workd Jew in front of him. He didn't care too much for me, but he turned to be and said in a quiet rage, "I fucking hate Jews..". Wow.. For all he knew I could be one... but he could not care.. He was so angry and festering - like spitting from mouth -  I dared not ask why. 

 

I finished my schooling at McKinnon High School (now secondary college) as my father simply couldn't afford the fees in the later years of Caulfield Grammar. We used to play soccer at lunch time (as I had moved from AFL, being the shorter posterior I am). The players were mainly Greek, Cypriot, and Italian from memory. There was a Jew who also played, and he was a) quite talented, and b) a really good bloke. Actually, I think he liked Four n Twenty pies. Towards the end of our time at McKinnon, one of the Cypriots turned to him and said, "You know, I hated Jews until I met you..". I thought it was quite a candid admission... The Jewish student asked why, and it was because that is the way he was brought up.

 

Throughout my working life in Melbourne there seemed to be an undercurrent of anti-semetism when the discussion ventured that way. 

 

In the UK, I didn't really notice it.. It's not that I was looking for it. I sent my kids to the local primary school in a middle to upper socio-economic area of London until we moved to the South West, after which I sent them to the local private school - A Church of England school (grammars here are better performing state schools). I recall, not long after my son finishing, we pulled up at a servo and there were a family of orhtodox Jews pumping petrol or something. My son remarked how the students at his school hated the Jews. Again, I have no idea if a Jew went to that school or not - pronbably not, to be honest.

 

I haven't knowingly worked directly with any Jews, but have worked alongside them. Apart from the skull cap, you wouldn't know they were Jewish.. 

 

We can't demonise Muslims, either.. There are almost 2bn Muslims, and yes, there are issues, but how many out of 2bn? There are 300m Americans, and yet every day there is a mass murder it appears.. On a per capita basis, it is probnably clear many populations have their fair share of problems (and yes, there are many that don't as well). 

Edited Wednesday at 08:19 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[Jerry_Atrick]

1 hour ago, pmccarthy said:

I was not supposed to look at it but I did. 

I thik this is a part of the problem - not just for anti-semitism, but for cohesion. We should be embracing educating people about the great and terrible things about himanoity and hopefully we can settle on a balanced path. Hiding it does nothing. 

 

BTW, people can feel sorry for them, but still discirminate and worse. 

 

 

[gareth lacey]

But, there are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and 10% are radical, thats 180 million who want all the bad stuff, beheadings, sharia, wolrd domination, so are we wrong to want to stamp out these cowards and scum, the Israelis have it right starting at the head exterminate the head of the cowardly terrorists,and all western countries should deport ALL muslim s preaching thier foul hate and spew

Edited Wednesday at 09:02 PM by gareth lacey

[Jerry_Atrick]

OK.. fair warning.. I have had Ned, my NZ mate's influence tonight - and the first time I have had such influence for some time:

 

 

Right.. playing Devil's advocate, the Bondi (and other terrorosts of any persuasion) know they are likely to die. Whilst killing innocent people (for the purpose of killing innocent people only) is cowardly, does knowing you are likely to die as a result of you comitting to the cause make you a coward? I would have thought, despite the promise of how many virgins, knowing what you have in front of you is to be snuffed out would take some guts, I would submit (knowing the coward I am). 

 

Everything else in your post, I wholly agree with, except one.. Deporting those preaching their foul hate and spew should not be limited to Muslims. There are a bunch of Nazis mobilising at the moment in Australia.. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:32 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[gareth lacey]

I agree anyone spewing hate against other groups should get the book thrown at them,but if i say make fun of the catholic, jewish.protestant,hindu ,muslim religeons should 8 be killed,i dislike all religeons for thier hipocracy,and taking the piss out of them us fair game, but not hatred and vile discourse

[red750]

The first ones that should be investigated and jailed or deported are the Imams and other clerics at the mosques, sprouting and advocating this vile propaganda.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

 

Continuous video of shooters.

[Jerry_Atrick]

In a live feed on The Age's website, apparenlty another alleged terror plot... but thankfully it has been foiled

 

 

[onetrack]

Nah, just another gang assassination thwarted, most likely. There's one nearly every day in SW Sydney, now. But it should be treated as terrorism, and longer penalties handed out accordingly.

[old man emu]

I hope those arrested persons had firearm licences and access to registered firearms.

[onetrack]

Kind of looks like the Police interrupted a peaceful gathering of Islamic scholars, intent on discussing Jewish problems. They haven't got one firearm, or one explosive device, between them!

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-19/nsw-seven-arrested-liverpool-bondi-victoria-police/106161610

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Former police officer claims he warned of Bondi terror attack a decade ago

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-19/nsw-former-police-officer-bondi-beach-terror-warning/106157580

 

He wasn't the only one, hundreds if not thousands of perceptive citizens have warned of future Islamic attacks for years, but for some strange reason, the warnings are never heeded.

 

If we ever change our national flag, a plain red flag will suffice.

 

Jews and Muslims mixed together in Australia under major party politics = spontaneous combustion.

[red750]

GON, hate speech has been outlawed. Be careful what you say. 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Just stating facts is not hate speech.

 

I moved to the bush to get away from muslims who have guns and knives. A muslim with six guns? What could go wrong? Senator Fatima Payman would say, It's Australia's Voice.

[Litespeed]

GON,

 

Not all Muslims are violent or fundamentalist, just like not all Jews are Zionists.

 

The vast majority of violent crime is still by white anglo Aussies.

Not all Aussies are racist, but you seem to be happy to be one.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I'm happy to be in the bush away from it all, it's very peaceful out here, nothing to bother us. I'd never go back to the big city, it would drive me insane. The bush is much better for your mental health.

[onetrack]

The 7 Islamics who were arrested in Sydney on suspicion of organising to carry out another terrorist attack, have all been released without charge. The Police couldn't find any evidence of wrongdoing, no firearms and no explosives - and obviously, no record of online threats to kill Jews.

 

But NSW Police chief, Mal Lanyon, stated the 7 "were known to Police", and homemade IS flags were found in one of the cars the 7 Islamics were travelling in.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/19/we-did-nothing-wrong-seven-men-released-from-custody-in-sydney-deny-islamist-links

 

Edited 8 hours ago by onetrack

[Jerry_Atrick]

10 hours ago, Litespeed said:

Not all Muslims are violent or fundamentalist, just like not all Jews are Zionists.

Comparting Islamist fundamentalism and Jewish Zionism to quantify and defend against allegations of systemic violence in a population is  quite disingenuous as they are fundamentally different. Maybe saying something liek not all Jews wanting toi unilaterally wipe out Arabs would be a bit more accurate a statement.. and the difference in the two populations not wanting to unilaterally wipe out each other is going to be significantly different - and probably in a way that would not support the disigenuous comparison you make. 

 

10 hours ago, Litespeed said:

The vast majority of violent crime is still by white anglo Aussies.

Not all Aussies are racist, but you seem to be happy to be one.

I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that the majority of violent crime is carried out by white Anglo Aussies. Statistics are not collated by ethnic background - only by whether the perpetrator is forieign born or not. However, AI, which you have to take with a grain of salt in these cases, has an interesting answer (this is Google's AI):

 

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Official statistics in Australia generally report crime data based on

country of birth rather than self-identified ethnicity, and comprehensive, recent national data comparing all ethnic groups specifically for violent crime offending rates is limited. 

 

 

General Trends and Statistics

 

• Australian-born vs. Overseas-born: Overall, historically, first-generation immigrants have had an overall lower rate of crime than the native-born population. The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) reported data indicating that migrants were just over half as likely as the Australian-born population to be victims of physical or threatened violence.
• Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples: This group is significantly overrepresented in the Australian criminal justice system. As of June 2024, they accounted for over a quarter of all prisoners, despite making up a smaller proportion of the general population. They also have much higher rates of homicide offending and victimisation compared to the non-Indigenous population.
• Migrant Groups:
  • Migrants from non-main English-speaking countries generally reported lower rates of violence victimisation than those from main English-speaking countries.
  • Historically, individuals born in certain countries (e.g., Russian Federation, Romania, Vietnam, New Zealand, Turkey, and Lebanon) have shown higher arrest rates than the Australian-born population for various offences.
  • The highest proportion of alleged offenders processed for violent offences in a specific Victorian study were Fijian-born individuals.
  • Studies have found that while there may be overrepresentation of some migrant groups in crime statistics (e.g., Sudanese-born in Victoria), Australian-born offenders still account for the vast majority of actual crimes, including serious assault. 

 

Data Limitations

 

It is important to note the following limitations in the data:

 

• Ethnicity vs. Country of Birth: The primary data collection method used by agencies like the ABS is country of birth, not specific ethnic group or cultural background within the Australian-born population. This makes precise breakdowns by ethnicity challenging to obtain.
• Media Portrayals: Criminological research often highlights that media coverage can create a misperception of a link between certain ethnic minorities and crime ("African youth crime wave") that is not supported by overall statistics, which show that white Australian-born offenders commit the majority of crime.
• Complex Factors: Statistics often reflect complex socioeconomic, historical, and systemic factors, rather than a direct link between ethnicity itself and criminal behaviour. 

For more detailed statistics, you can refer to reports from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) and the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC). 

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Interestingly, it found some evidence to say that rates (i.e. per capita), white Aussie males may not be the worst of them... 

 

My point is don't demonise people to support a point of view when there is no evidence of it.. it is part of the reason groups of people are mobilising in ways that are not positive.