What now on Charlie Kirk?

[Marty_d]

The alternative is worse.

If for example you surprise a skinny harmless person who thought the house was empty and was either stealing or looking for somewhere to sleep... I don't think someone who kills a person like that should be exempt from prosecution.

[facthunter]

You are covering the 2 sides and that's good. I have 2 Dogs and they make me feel safer, Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

23 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

The problem is that you will probably have to defend yourself in court. The time and cost for a successful legal defence will transform your life, when all you did was physically defend yourself.

 

The "castle" doctrine does not change this. Even that article effectively admits it. It would be very dangerous if it did

[ClintonB]

Maybe the yanks should understand if you want to be all biblical about things when it suits you, you should be able to wear the consequences.

Was there not a quote in the bible that you will reap what you sow. If you sow the seeds of hatred, you have to expect that hatred will be returned.

they ( the yanks and most other religious kooks) love to push their views and interpretations of them, but are not so good at receiving the results in return. It is very hypocritical of them.

[onetrack]

Hey y'all, you gotta understand, this here killin' of Charlie Kirk was a perfect example of how the God-Given 'Merrican Constitution works just fine, to protect the freedoms and liberty of every 'Merrican man and woman!!

 

You see, that Robinson guy was truly fearful of a tyrannical gubbmint coming to get him, threatening his hard-won freedoms, and taking away his hard-won liberty and human rights!!

He was truly fearful of a vengeful Kirk and his Big Buddy Donald Trump coming to take his gay and transgender rights offa him, and probably even looking at not being able to get a job, all because of that Tyrannical Gubbmint!!

 

So he did exactly what any gun-loving, red-blooded 'Merican Patriot would do! He killed that TYRANT!! - and exercised his fabulous, God-Given Second Amendment RIGHT, to fight back against a TYRANNICAL Govt, that was a-coming to get him!!

This guy is a hero! - not a murderous killer!! I hope some good ol' Second Amendment-loving lawyer explains all this in fine detail to that TYRANNICAL prosecutor!! - and that Robinson guy is set free, lauded as a terrific PATRIOT, as he should be!!

 

Hallelujah and Amen, Brothers in Christ! God works in mysterious ways to ensure that the Land of the Brave and the Free, stays that way!!  

[Jerry_Atrick]

Many a true word are said in jest

 

[facthunter]

And the rest are Certain KIrk is in Heaven.  ( And We thought IRAN was Mad/Bad).   Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Leftwingers and Rightwingers should be banned from politics. We need to find a new way.

[facthunter]

Ban the idiots and there would be an easily managed Number. Nev

[Marty_d]

It's a spectrum. You can't ban left wingers and right wingers because there's no one remaining.

The spectrum probably needs updating, more conservative vs progressive these days, but where 'centre' is depends on your perspective.

In terms of the US, my view is that the Democrats are slightly right of centre, Republicans are so far down the right wing fascist path that their whole democracy is stuffed, and the only true left wingers left are individuals like Bernie Sanders.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Then ban the spectrum altogether and just deal with the issues.

[Marty_d]

Mate, I don't think you understand.

Everyone is on the spectrum.

[Marty_d]

Meanwhile, the evil empire scores another scalp.

Trump and his sycophants hate late night comics like Colbert and Kimmel because they speak truth and don't kowtow to him.

Now another spineless media company has crumpled and given in to him.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-18/jimmy-kimmel-live-cancelled-indefinitely/105787192?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_web

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Marty_d

[facthunter]

The $#!t MUST end some time and the sooner, the Better. LIMIT the DAMAGE. Nev

[Marty_d]

It's disgusting.  Every company is running scared of him.

In WW2 the US stood up to fascists, who were attempting to kill all the Jews.  Now the US is becoming fascist and Israel is committing genocide.  Total reversal.

[Jerry_Atrick]

A member of me team recently returned from the US - Portland, WA. In his observation, the average American doesn't really know or care what is going on in the Whitehouse; with their government. It is a bit like most people everywhere. People just go about their daily lives; they vote and then they wait for the next election to vote.. that is their participation in democracy. Unless something directly affects them, they see the news, and go about their daily life. The news they see is 1/2 hour a day in the evening, like most people; they see their social media channels, more revolving around lifestyle or interests than politics. 

 

Which is why Chump is a product of society. Execs are not kowtowing to Chump.. they are doing what they are paid to do.. get the best value for their shareholders. If it would cost them more to kowtow to Chump, they wouldn't.  

 

Kier Starmer slupring up Chump's posterior so much, his nose was poking outside Chump's mouth showed how utterly powerless the UK has been. But it is also symptomatic of how spineless the west has become. At school and at home, we are taught to stand up to bullies, otherwise they will just keep doing it. But for some reason, as a collective society, we seem to have lost our spine to stand up to bullies, accept it is going to hurt, but know in the long run  it will be less pain - because the bully will continue otherwise. We have seen it play out with Russia and we are seeing it play out with Chump. The unprecedented second state visit to a royal family who are probably less receptive to Chump and his cohorts than they were to Gadaffi - as an attempt to placate the bully and curry flavour - simply has emboldned him, and after showing the UK as a gutless bunch of arse lickers has achieved no relative benefit. Tariffs are the same as they are for most countries, Chump and his cohorts -0 including Farage - continue to belittle the UK (and other countries), and their coercive efforts become intesififed and brazen. 

 

Why do they do it? Because they are scared if standiung up to Chump will heap on some short term pain, the electorate will vote them out - because the electorate collectively won't like any pain.. only gain. In truth, and it is probably by design, more and more of the electorate can't afford the pain as it won't just mean a drop in living standards over discretionary spend, but it will mean they can't put food on the table, keep up the excessive mortgage payments and can end up hungry, homeless, or both. Either way, at some stage, it is all going to end in tears as we have allowed our society to develop to the stage it has and not been more rigirous in who we select and how we participate to make sure this doesn't happen. 

 

Is it Cantonese or Mandarin I have to learn?

Edited 20 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

Hope you feel better now getting all that off your chest.  If Charles and Starmer Behaved  as you seem to want them to, where would We be? Charles and the Royal family behaved well and heaped coals OF  FIRE on the Orange U tan's head. CLASS Beats ARSE and the contrast was Exquisite, Obvious and Subtle. Britain did what Britain does best and it was WIDLY viewed for all to see. Good show, King C. You're Da MAN.  Nev

Edited 19 hours ago by facthunter
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[Jerry_Atrick]

I was not suggesting being belligerent by any stretch of the imagination. Diplomacy is an art as well as a learned skill. What everyone seems to be doing is slurping up Chumps arse and not, via diplomacy, setting a a standard. All these "red lines" are breached by Chump, yet everyone persists? Why? Can you answer that?

 

Because they will be voted out, sacked (execs), etc. 

 

That is on you and me.. and eveyone else. 

 

That is my point. 

 

But if you think it is just getting it off my chest.. well.. you can take it any way you like.. You got any better ideas? Becauise so far, nothing else is working.

[nomadpete]

I think the poms did well. Charles gave a speech. Professionally as expected.

 

Anyone who looked closely would have seen the King cringe when Trumpet was stumbling to read his crazy speech. And many in the world (including USA) were laughing at his rambling, halting efforts.

 

And Chump asserted that he was the first US pres to get invited to visit?

 

Ha!

 

Anyway, all that is not about the Kirk story.

I think all the brooha and martydom about Kirk highlights the shameful absence of outrage over previous assassination of politicians and spouses who happened to be Democrats.

Edited 6 hours ago by nomadpete
Back to topic

[onetrack]

The MAGA mob specialise in maintaining feral, visceral rage, against anything they see as counter to their beliefs, aims and plans.

 

They especially enjoy painting anyone with anti-Republican beliefs, to be "the enemy" of America. It's McCarthyism for the 21st Century.

[Marty_d]

I'd never heard of Kirk before he got shot, and as far as I'm concerned he's just one out of 5000 odd per year that gets killed by gun in the US. I mourn every innocent child killed in Sandy Hook much more than some idiot who apparently thought it was fair for people to be killed by guns in order for whack jobs to get to keep their AR-15's.

 

The bad thing about this is how it's an absolute gift for Dicktator Donny.

Based on this killing, it's obvious that everyone on the "loony left" (ie normal people) is a dangerous criminal and he is justified in making restrictive laws and "executive orders" to keep them from doing or saying anything that may offend the delicate feelings of "patriotic americans" (ie raving right wing nut jobs and anyone who licks his arse).

I saw reporting somewhere that he is even insisting on America's allies setting up specific "left wing extremist" task forces. Despite all evidence that the vast majority of extremist violence comes from conservatives.

 

The hypocrisy is astounding.

For years frothing right-wingers have called for violence against anyone they don't agree with. Many people working for family planning clinics have been murdered. Trump himself has denigrated and abused anyone who doesn't agree with him.

Yet anyone who dares to point out the truth about this Kirk character, or refuse to treat him like some kind of saint, is facing real world consequences over there. Losing their jobs, being cancelled, receiving death threats. All the stuff that conservatives have been complaining about the "woke" crowd, they are doing a hundred fold.

 

The US needs to stop using "free" in any description of itself. There is no free speech, no freedom to think for yourself, no freedom to poke fun at the disgraceful actions of its executive branch. It's fast becoming a repressive, authoritarian theocracy. 

 

As an independent country we should be extricating ourselves from close ties with the US, including the disastrous AUKUS pact, until such time that they reverse everything Trump has done, put the rabid Republicans into minority and prove to the world that freedom has returned.

[facthunter]

Merdey does it all the time. Character assassination and "shopped" facial expressions. Nev

[onetrack]

Trumps attacks on the media, lawsuits and intimidation threats and having media hosts removed from their jobs if they even poke fun at him is extremely concerning and a prerequisite to criminal Hitlerian tactics.

 

After the Reichstag Fire in 1933, Hitlers emergency decrees suspended individual rights and constitutional protections, giving the police broad power to act without legal limits.

 

Now we see Trump Presidential Decrees of "emergencies", at whim to prosecute his plans to turn America into the MAGA model of an extreme right-wing, Christian-fundamentalist dominated society, with lesser or no rights for immigrants, gays and lesbians and any group that opposes Trump or his supporters.

 

Under the Nazis, specific groups were targeted for arrest, removal from public life, and eventually, genocide. Trump has already had hundreds of leading public servants removed from their jobs because they opposed him.

 

Now we see Trump using the military to replace police forces in various cities to "restore order" and "reduce crime". You only need to replace "the U.S. military" with the Gestapo and Nazi stormtroopers beating Nazi opposition protestors to a pulp, and even killing them outright on the streets, to see where America is heading. Just watch out for Trump suspending the Constitution as a result of another "emergency" - which was Hitlers final criminal act of total control.

 

"Trumped-up" reasons behind so many of his illegal actions is a great irony.

[nomadpete]

17 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

I'd never heard of Kirk before he got shot, and as far as I'm concerned he's just one out of 5000 odd per year that gets killed by gun in the US. I mourn every innocent child killed in Sandy Hook much more than some idiot who apparently thought it was fair for people to be killed by guns in order for whack jobs to get to keep their AR-15's.

 

The bad thing about this is how it's an absolute gift for Dicktator Donny.

Based on this killing, it's obvious that everyone on the "loony left" (ie normal people) is a dangerous criminal and he is justified in making restrictive laws and "executive orders" to keep them from doing or saying anything that may offend the delicate feelings of "patriotic americans" (ie raving right wing nut jobs and anyone who licks his arse).

I saw reporting somewhere that he is even insisting on America's allies setting up specific "left wing extremist" task forces. Despite all evidence that the vast majority of extremist violence comes from conservatives.

 

The hypocrisy is astounding.

For years frothing right-wingers have called for violence against anyone they don't agree with. Many people working for family planning clinics have been murdered. Trump himself has denigrated and abused anyone who doesn't agree with him.

Yet anyone who dares to point out the truth about this Kirk character, or refuse to treat him like some kind of saint, is facing real world consequences over there. Losing their jobs, being cancelled, receiving death threats. All the stuff that conservatives have been complaining about the "woke" crowd, they are doing a hundred fold.

 

The US needs to stop using "free" in any description of itself. There is no free speech, no freedom to think for yourself, no freedom to poke fun at the disgraceful actions of its executive branch. It's fast becoming a repressive, authoritarian theocracy. 

 

As an independent country we should be extricating ourselves from close ties with the US, including the disastrous AUKUS pact, until such time that they reverse everything Trump has done, put the rabid Republicans into minority and prove to the world that freedom has returned.

So, tell me....

Did you put all that in your letters to MP's?

[facthunter]

WHO writes Letters to MP's? Some send stuff to Me and I reply when it's suitable. Most don't even do that.. I think some are worthwhile Others are oxygen thieves and "Spoils of Office Exploiters".  Nev