What has Trump done now?

[facthunter]

The Russians used scorched earth tactics and the Harsh Russian winter. The NAZI's went deep into Russian territory and had what was considered superior weaponry. (more sophisticated than Practical).. Russia Made Lot's of their Proven tanks. The Germans ran short of supplies and were in a desperate state and retreating.  This was a major changing Point of the war. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Don't mention ze war!!! (It took me all of 5 hours to learn that in Frankfurt. Not invited back, yet)

[facthunter]

Anyone directly involved would be Dead, by Now, I reckon.  Nev

[facthunter]

Pretty busy AirPort, Frankfurt-Maine. .   Nev

[old man emu]

6 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Anyone directly involved would be Dead, by Now, I reckon.  Nev

What about Hitler's boy soldiers of the Hitler Youth (Hitlerjugend or HJ)? By 1945 some of these boys were only 12 years old. By now any survivor would be in their nineties.

 

https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/hitleryouth/hj-boy-soldiers.htm

[onetrack]

It's surprising the number of WW2 veterans still left alive. And the widows of WW2 veterans. They number in the tens of thousands, still. As OME points out, there were plenty of boy soldiers - and a lot of people do live for a long time.

 

Edited 18 hours ago by onetrack

[old man emu]

8 minutes ago, onetrack said:

And the widows of WW2 veterans

Me mum's one of them.

[Jerry_Atrick]

11 hours ago, facthunter said:

Anyone directly involved would be Dead, by Now, I reckon.  Nev

Mostly, yes... And certainly none of my Frankfuirt office work colleagues were directly involved. But, there remain laws on the books designed to stop the rise of Nazism. For example, privacy laws are very strong and sometimes take precendece over other laws designed to stop harm. For example, you can't record telephone conversations in Germany at all. Yet, EU law requires recording of telephone lines of financial services sales, originators, syndicators, and traders to prevent market abuse and fraud. Germany has a carve out of this requirement. 

 

The conversation was the first day after work in a bar in Frankfurt.. One of the locals, answering a question, let us know he lives in Manheim..

 

Me: "Wow.. you're not going to believe this, but my father used to play football [soccer] for your town's team - he was the captain.

 

Him: "Yah, well, it's only a local club... nothing special.."

 

Me. "It wasn't when he was playing; it was in the equivalent of the Bundesleague. I have a phot of him holding up cup to a very large crowd...

 

Him: "Wow.. When was that... "

 

Me (innocently) "Oh, after the war... the club was knoen as Waldorf-Manheim". 

 

crickets from everyone - people looking down.. Me thinking they didn't hear it, repeated it louder.. .and my ribs welcomed a well-aimed elbow from my manager... Oops....
 

 

I have no idea of the school curriculum in Germany, but a question of what it is relating to WWII yielded this:

 

I think the guilt trip has to go as three or four genrations since can't be held responsible, and if they are made to feel guilty about something they are four times removed from, they will start to feel resentment, and head back to the right...

 

Oh, wait.. hold my beer.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I think the guilt trip has to go as three or four genrations since can't be held responsible

Hmm. Maybe this idea might be applied in a certain Antipodean country where feeling guiltless about events three or four generations ago is considered arrogant.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Different context, and I am not sure it is about guilt, but recognition that an existing culture lived here, and conquered.. with rights supporessed for many more generations.

 

 

[old man emu]

Jerry, with all due respect, you are living in a different country, and have done so for many years. You have to be living where things are happening to understand what is occuring in those places. Even those members here who live in our major cities don't experience the things that we who live in rural areas do.

 

Let me give you an example. The local indigenes in my town wanted their flag flown at the ANZAC Day service. That's sort of OK by me as many Aborigines have served. So the RSL committee which was organising the ceremony asked them to provide a flag to be flown in accordance with the protocols for displaying flags. Despite the request being made in plenty of time, no flag was made available.

 

As you know, I volunteer at our Community OP shop. It is rare to see any Aboriginal person visiting the shop. I once mentioned this to another volunteer and was told that Aborigines have too much money to have a need to buy stuff at the minimal prices we charge. 

 

Another thing that I notice is that the local indigenes do not seem to be involved in activities organised for the whole town. There is definitely a feeling of Them/Us. 

 

I would really love it if Aboriginal people would make an effort to integrate with the rest of Society as the people from other societies have done. 

 

 

[facthunter]

Most conclude the situation is getting WORSE, not better. Nev. 

[onetrack]

The indigenes now drive much newer and better cars than the rest of us mere mortals do - I guess that's a total turnaround from the days of my youth.

 

Here on the Left Coast, every single member of the "Stolen Generation" (those indigenes classed as "mixed race" and removed from their families in a well-intentioned attempt to break cycles of poverty, homelessness, drunkenness and abuse) are now entitled to receive a payment of $85,000 each, as compensation for their enforced removal from their family.

 

They don't have to prove anything, except that they were taken away from their family as children. Unsurprisingly, a large number of the Stolen Generation have done quite well for themselves, and become productive members of society, after generally being educated in normal social obligations and acceptable behaviour.

 

Unfortunately, some members of the Stolen Generation were badly treated, and abused in foster homes, and this has cast a black mark over the whole original scheme.

I trust the monetary compensation goes some way towards appeasing their grief and anger about being removed from their families, but I would estimate a lot of the money will be dissipated by useless relatives, and spent on rapidly-depreciating items, and their anger and claims for further monetary compensation will only return after the $85,000 is all gone.

[rgmwa]

Not all of them were happy about the $85,000 either because there was a cut-off date as I recall and some missed out, and others thought they should have got more. It's a tough one and there's no easy answer but at least the WA Govt tried to do something to compensate for past mistakes.