Bruce Tuncks Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 I have seen suppositions about the world being a computer simulation, and I remember that this is not a new idea. In 1200 or so, there was a heresy that said the world was just a demon's dream. Does anybody know more about this story? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 That would have to be convincingly DEMON stated to me before I'd have a whiff of it Reality is too "unreal" already. "Heavens above" only works if the world is flat and you can SEE that it isn't by watching an eclipse (OR images taken of it.) Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Bruce, that stems from age old philosophy. Am I just a figment of my own imagination? Are you just a figment of MY imagination. I'm dieing to find out......... later 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 They say that no man is an island, but in reality we are. You can tell me what you think, but I can't know what you are thinking. Even if we were sitting together observing the same thing, I don't know, and you don't know precisely what the other is experiencing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 IF you are in Love (Lust) then both may well be the case. Don't DIE to find out anything. It's too drastic. Dyeing is OK if you still have Hair.. Nev 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, old man emu said: but I can't know what you are thinking. I do my best, aren't my posts revealing enough? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Since we are being all phillysophistical, My existence and all my experiences are in my own mind. As OME points out, others around me (assuming they are not a creation of my imagination, and actually exist) are only able to exist within their own mind, and may inagine what I might be experiencing in my mind. So in that context we are an island to ourself. Language helps us a lot. But neither proves nor disproves the hypothesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I'm fairly sure that even if you don't think I exist That a will be Here if you are desperate I am NOT A Bot. or a figment. When I die I'll ROT and my Molecules and atoms will still remain "somewhere" Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) Darn. There is a distinct possibility that there will be a eternal Facthunter bot, long after you have returned your stardust atoms to the universe. I hadn't thought of that! Edited May 2, 2023 by nomadpete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said: In 1200 or so, there was a heresy that said the world was just a demon's dream. I wouldn't be surprised if it transpired that the Greeks discussed it too. After all, aren't demons much the same as gods? Gods that don't like us? And the Greeks loved gods so much they had lots of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Greeks loved philosophy too so I'd be surprised if this theory hadn't been kicked around by them. But my problem with it is, if reality is just a dream, why am I talking shit with you lot instead of relaxing in a hot tub with a bevy of supermodels? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Because WE are more deep and meaningful than simply indulging in Pleasures of the flesh If you want a high Just go fly. Nev 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 If your mind says you are living in a hot tub with a bevy of beauties (are they virginal?), then The Matrix shall provide it in due course. You can't build a homebuilt aeroplane at the same time as going all white and wrinkly in the hot tub! Even in The Matrix you only got one fantasy at a time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, facthunter said: Because WE are more deep and meaningful than simply indulging in Pleasures of the flesh If you want a high Just go fly. Nev No. I really don't believe that we are really all that 'deep n meaningful'. A cynical mate once said - "I know the meaning of life. My purpose as a mammal living on this planet, is to carry my genes one generation, and pass them to my children." I like to think there is more to it, but his observation is the only one that stands up to scrutiny. Meanwhile, I intend to enjoy the journey. Edited May 2, 2023 by nomadpete 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 THAT was very TIC. My last post. For me, WE are Here Because we are here. More by accident than design. Propagate your GENES ? Yes that seems to be essential for life to continue but what's SO SPECIAL about our Particular genes and anyhow the world is overpopulated for the level of it's resources and is clearly Unsustainable even at It's present figure. ALL life should be considered a miracle because the Universe is a HOSTILE Place generally and life is fragile. and can only exist in a close band of suitable conditions which we are adapted to. Why are WE so complex? Well it took an unimaginably LONG time to become what we are. Certainly NOT the 6300 years some speak of. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 4 hours ago, nomadpete said: If your mind says you are living in a hot tub with a bevy of beauties (are they virginal?) No, very experienced (Hey, this is my dream) 4 hours ago, nomadpete said: then The Matrix shall provide it in due course. Hooray! 4 hours ago, nomadpete said: You can't build a homebuilt aeroplane at the same time Well there's a motivation 4 hours ago, nomadpete said: and wrinkly a lot less wrinkles when the girls... No, that's too rude 4 hours ago, facthunter said: Because WE are more deep and meaningful than simply indulging in Pleasures of the flesh did I forget to mention they were all philosophy PhD's? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Would you ascend the Height's of Everest with a novice guide or an expert? Nev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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