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Saw a Tesla being towed on youtube and it was actually charging the battery. Not sure if it was a real thing though.

Run a diesel out of fuel and you only need to wait for someone to come by in a diesel or have some diesel. Run out of power in an electric car and you have to wait for someone to come by with a generator who has time to sit there while your car gets enough charge to get to the next charger. Reckon I know what i would rather. Most diesels aren't that bad to bleed if you know what you are doing. Messy though.

It needs to be economic to recycle the blades. if it doesn't make money it will not happen. This is not just limited to wind turbine blades either. i can't see the 2 (3 if you include the old wtg) sets of wtg blades at Coober Pedy getting done. Probably be buried in the desert somewhere. If they are not cut up on site, transport to a recycling depot would be very expensive. Especially with the size of modern blades.

Gina may support ON a lot but they are all owned by someone, to the extent they get jobs after politics in fields they use to oversee. ON is not special, just gets a bit more attention because the major partys are feeling a bit threatened.

Drove a Tesla model Y?. Probably the most powerful car I've driven. 4WD is a cool thing. If I lived 50km closer to the city, it would be a no brainer to get an electric car. see a lot on the open roads between Port Augusta and Port Lincoln.

Coal fired do have upgrades and maintenance during there life as do wind turbines and then replaced every 30 years. Every machine needs maintenance! You could build a coal fired power station but you miss out on all the government mandated subsidy's. Will the last person out of Australia turn off the lights!

Yes it would, but it would also last for years to come, not changed out every 30 or so.

France, US, Sweden (except for the south of the country where exporting to Germany has artificially raised them). Thats answering a question with a question nd all we hear from our intermittent supporting is that intermittents are the cheapest form of electricity. We don't need new infrastructure to stay where we are except if the population increases, just maintenance or replacing existing as it wears out. We are building a lot just for the intermittents.

Cheaper would be to replace coal fired power stations with new coal fired plants in a controlled manner. Nuclear would take a long time but newer reactors will last a long time and be cheaper in the long run. Best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, second best is today. The problem is we aren't just adding renewables, we are adding intermittent renewables. If we replaced our coal with new coal and gas we don't need battery's (although some would be beneficial) extra transmission, artificial inertia etc it would be cheaper.

tell me anywhere in the world with a high penetration of intermittent generation that has cheap electricity to the consumer. Coal use to be reliable in Australia. It is now seen as a way large energy company's can make money from our stupid ideological government. They won't give them proper maintenance, they don't care about Australia's energy security and they will threaten to close them down and the government will pay to keep them open (Eraring) or in SA's case, pay some diesel generators to come out of moth balls for the summer period. If the grid is run properly you have enough overbuild so if one drops out the others have the capacity and inertia to take up the slack. Pretty basic redundancy thought process like aircraft have. Germany has 170GWs of installed solar for a max grid demand of 60 odd GWs and they still import power from France, Sweden and burn brown coal(one of the the most polluting of fuel sources) I am not a fan of coal. I think Nuclear should be seriously looked at and am sick of all the misguided hype about weather dependent intermittents. Electricity to the consumer has gone up over 30% in the last 12 months and old mate bowen is still saying how cheap the wholesale price is. Also saying that wind and solar don't care about the overseas conflict, but any spare part for a wind turbine does. I had real time experience with this during Covid. Hydro and geo thermal are the gold standard if they are readily accessible. Prove me wrong!

Tell me anywhere in the world where a large penetration of intermittent generation has made energy cheaper, stay the same or rise at the rate of inflation. I haven't studied the WA situation , but a quick read sounds like they are getting more intermittents and they still need the coal because the wind doesn't always blow or the sun shine.

Then we could add the extra shots they put in the we heard from the helicopter footage during the war. Something we would expect other broadcasters to do. This is not acceptable from our taxpayer funded national broadcaster. What else have they mislead us about, but haven't been caught out yet?

The ABC's Sarah Fergusons fact check about renewables don't make electricity prices more expensive delivered to the consumer.. Of course they do. An intermittent source of electricity requires a lot of extras including the energy company's not being sure on what income they are going to get from there assets so the price goes up. The non intermittent generators which we still need have had there production cut but they still need to cover there costs and profit margins so they put there prices up to cover worse case scenarios, again because we can't really predict whats going to happen with the weather and there is all the extra infrastructure that is needed. Name me one country that has had their electricity prices stay the same when they introduce large amounts of weather dependent generation? I think I saw Australia's price increased 30 % in the last 12 months or so and heard on the radio this morning that AEMO are about to announce the next supply charge rise. So yes the ABC is not any better than any other broadcaster.

And none of the other politicians and partys are backed by major companys/countrys. Sound pretty hypercritical to me!

So you are worried about an Australian making money from our resources. What about all the overseas interests. Most of the money we spend on electricity goes overseas as well. I think you need to get your priorities realigned.

Hmmm the ABC!

Nuclear works!!! Well known that green h2 has a lot of challengers, not really a promising technology yet. Round trip efficiency is not that good either.

But should state governments be putting money into it? They are funding a hydrogen department as well as putting money into the plant as well as having a HV switchyard built.(Nice and shiny as it glitters in the sun)

No-one has ever really got green hydrogen right. Information is readily available that it is a lot harder then the lobbyist say it is. Someone dropped the ball.

Who mentioned Pauline?

Not really talking about dollars. just the extra CO2 that is emitted during shipping for the global warming. SA has spent millions of dollars on an ideological hydrogen plant near Whyalla for green steel. It has fallen over as many green hydrogen plants have. Anyone want to buy some H2 ready gas turbines? Governments are suckers!

This probably isn't relevant to this thread

I don't believe a tertiary education necisarily makes a good politician. I would say the mob we have had for the last 20 years (both sides) are mostly tetiary educated and they are the worst I can remember. It would be good to have some successful business people in instead of lawyers. -not large corporate business people,

So what you are saying is that is acceptable for people to come from overseas and have riots in the streets of Australia because of some past disagreements on the other side of the world. I don't!

Be better for global emissions and Australia if we processed here though. Put some of the governments emissions subsidies into building more furnaces. They won't because of the perception that it is dirtier even though we get told its a global problem. You are right cruise ships burn bunker oil, fail to see what this has to do with steel production. that we can and have done here before.