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Yes quite correct, Posted in haste I meant the Earth. Certainly not 50 billion.

Billion? the universe is only 4.5 billion years old.

My last month's (actually 24 days) electricity bill was $46.53 however we are in credit. This bill will cost me $16.38 will cost. All electric home. Why is it so low? It helps that we live in a quite small place and we try to schedule as much use during the middle of the day.

6c/kWh super off-peak discount applied to your overnight market rates between 12am - 6am AEST. ENGIE Electric Vehicle (EV) Night Saver

I have read various things about supplies of minerals for modern tech. I do think it is an important issue. Lithium doesn't seem to be a problem. I think I have read more about copper. Recycling will have to be a major part if we are to continue to advance electronic technology. Oil is not a finite resource and can only be burnt once although things like plastic of course can be recycled in some cases. If the minerals required in our electronic devices become harder to source then the price will go up, This also applies to oil.

EVs are generally more expensive to insure. The charging network needs to expand EVs generally have a higher sticker price Longer trips need more planning Rushing out and buying a new EV does not make sense for everyone at this stage 100% EV is many many years away is at all. We are still at the enthusiast stage of adoption These are all things I believe I have mentioned in my posts.

I would humbly suggest that whether or not you agree with me I do attempt to support my posts with multiple sources. I get it that you think anyone who is enthusiastic about new technology must be some type of simpleton. i get that you are uncomfortable with this new technology. You believe that you know this technology is bound to fail. Sometimes you just have to wait for the history to play out. If we dumbfuf*cks who stupidly believe that electric motors are much m, more efficient than piston motors are wrong then you will get to enjoy the "I told you so: moment. The most ambitious goals for EV adoption are 9 years away. How far has technology come in the last 9 years? The change to EVs is not particularly fast. I drove an early leaf 2014 that is now 10 years old. If the most ambitious plans for EVs come true then in 2035 all NEW cars will be EV. My old Ford Focus is 17 years old and still viable for a few more years. 17 years from 2035 is 2053. As long as petrol is available you will still be able to drive a petrol car (if you can afford it) I have a friend who occasionally drives his 1987 Ford. Sorry, but I think your constant hysterical griping is a bit sad.

I would humbly suggest that whether or not you agree with me I do attempt to support my posts with multiple sources. I get it that you think anyone who is enthusiastic about new technology must be some type of simpleton. i get that you are uncomfortable with this new technology. You believe that you know this technology is bound to fail. Sometimes you just have to wait for the history to play out. If we dumbfuf*cks who stupidly believe that electric motors are much m, more efficient than piston motors are wrong then you will get to enjoy the "I told you so: moment. The most ambitious goals for EV adoption are 9 years away. How far has technology come in the last 9 years? The change to EVs is not particularly fast. I drove an early leaf 2014 that is now 10 years old. If the most ambitious plans for EVs come true then in 2035 all NEW cars will be EV. My old Ford Focus is 17 years old and still viable for a few more years. 17 years from 2035 is 2053. As long as petrol is available you will still be able to drive a petrol car (if you can afford it) I have a friend who occasionally drives his 1987 Ford. Sorry, but I think your constant hysterical griping is a bit sad.

OK as a rational person, I like to delve into the evidence. The video you posted OME states that public charging is slow expensive and inconvenient the author of the video avoids providing evidence. According to statistics from 2021, 10.3% live in apartments. So if this is a problem then it is a 10% problem. I actually live in a strata title property and I am on the committee and I have some understanding of the issues. This guy is massively exaggerating. I could post some videos of fact-checking of this guy, should I do that??? My son charges his EV overnight for 10 cents a kilowatt in his garage under his house. Charging overnight is GOOD for the grid (you probably don't know why). He does this twice a week which is all that is required for his normal driving. He lives his life happily but you seem to think his life must be hell. If you think my son charging his EV under his house is foolish I would be happy to pass that on to him and because he is scientifically literate and smarter certainly to me, I am sure he would act on your logical concerns. If I had thought buying an EV was right at this point in time,I would certainly buy an EV. I would mainly charge it from home for free. This would make sense, wouldn't it??? Getting back to Mr crusty old conservative's video. Is public charging slow???? Ask yourself why he does he not get into real-world charging times. What is the expense and charging times at public networks? This surely is key to your (hysterical) objectives)

"EV owners urged not to charge EVs in the garage." A search for this turns up one article from the Sun that I did not even bother reading and an advisory for owners of Chevy Volts which I believe had a recall because of faulty batteries and some fires. Of course, this kind of thing doesn't ever happen with petrol cars oh wait yes it does. Hyundai and Kia ask owners to park outside due to risk of fire This though does not seem to be as alarming as those nasty new-fangled electric contraptions. From memory, he talks about the coming crisis of increased insurance premiums for charging facilities in apartment blocks. OK if this is true then people in apartments will have a disincentive to buy EVs and this will play into the market. NBo need for a hysterical whiney warning. At the end of the day insurance premiums will be determined by real world events. My son charges his EV in his garage which is under his house. I suppose you think he is a f****** idiot. I am not sure where @kgwilson parks his car but maybe you think get is a f******* idiot also. OME you said this in an earlier post: "Many of us are seeing this and lamenting another old skill being tossed onto the discarded arts heap. Many of us see the logic in stopping the rampant use of a diminishing resource, but the same "many" are getting "change fatigue" that they have been subjected to for close on 75 years. Let the upcoming generations work at making the use of liquid fuels a page in the history of Mankind. Just don't pressure older generations to turn the page so quickly. Some of us like to bask in the warmth of the wordsmith." Look I think this is your real issue

Yep, not very practical for a lot of applications. Good vehicle for what we used it for. I had a long chat to the driver/owner. The trip from Te Anua to Milford and back is 240 km of hilly terrain and he drives it 5 days a week most weeks. The economics make it an obvious choice.

These doors have sensors. When we rode in one a couple of times I stood to o close and the door stopped opening. I do however think these doors are a bit over the top although kind of cool at first.

Whilst on holiday in NZ on the South Island we travelled in one of these from Lake Teanu to Milford Sound and back. We had 4 options to get there, we could have driven our rental car (didn't fancy that) or go on a coach with a herd of other tourists or fly (next time). The Tesla X is a great car however I am not sure it makes sense as a family car, given the price. The journey was extremely comfortable and the quietness allowed the knowledgeable driver to point out the sights and give us some of the history. Tesla X.mp4

And you will be able to do this for many years to come. You and I will be long gone before that choice doesn't exist

There is always tyre noise but the overall noise is lower. I have driven 3 EVS a Leaf, a BMWI3 and a Tesla I have also been a passenger in a BYD Atto 3. Yes, there is road noise from the tyres but what is missing is engine noise. In an IC car going up a hill involves changing down which does create a change in the engine volume/pitch and also driving up a hill. One of the things I enjoy about driving an EV when in NZ is the ease with which you drive up hills. There is no need to manage the engine. This also applies to coming down a hill, no need to change down due to regenerative braking. A fun fact is my son lives at the top of a huge and long hill. When driving down it you end up with more in the battery than you started with, of course, this is more than compensated for on the way up. Driving up this hill is fun though, it is a 3-lane road and the Tesla will comfortably pass all the other cars.

Well, I always watch what people post. He does make some very good points. There are many facilities I would not want to live too close to if possible. Firefighters have a difficult job and it does constantly change. Chemical fires are not unheard of. One man killed in explosion at a Derrimut factory I certainly agree that huge battery facilities should not be close to houses although I am relatively comfortable with house batteries or even community batteries. Technology has always moved ahead and we have had to learn how to deal with things when they go wrong. Aviation? Nuclear Power? I am not sure how many large battery facilities there are in the world (I will try to find out the number) but these things are not bursting into flames all over the place. In another thread, we are talking about Nuclear power. People who are for acknowledge that there have been serious accidents but also point out the low odds of an accident. I would imagine that firefighters in this country do not have expertise in fighting a fire in a nuclear power plant.

I doubt you can find anywhere I have or anyone has said that. I have on many occasions said that for many people (including me) that EV may not yet be the best choice at this point. @kgwilsonless-than-perfect has mentioned less than perfect charging infrastructure. I have read back through the entire thread and I am having trouble identifying the "even-handedness" You say the "vehicle is not the immediate problem" but have been through all the usual objections like fires and battery recycling etc. I think I always try to address everything I can but I am happy to consider any points I have ignored. The first point is noise. Quiet vehicles are just more pleasant to drive, This also applies to IC vehicles. i am not sure why this is in question. I posted a video of my son in an EV on a track day. In the full video, he is having a conversation with his offsider at a normal volume whilst driving fairly hard. We were once stuck in bumper to bumper traffic driving from Wellington to my son's home after an accident closed the main highway. The EV was much better in that crawling traffic which was quiet (except for the other cars) and smooth. By contrast, I had to drive to the airport the other day and the traffic at one stage was crawling. In my car, this really sucks constantly pressing the clutch and crawling forward in 1st gear. The thing is that with the greatest respect, you say you have never driven one and although I don't own one I do get to drive one for a few weeks every year. @kgwilson owns one. Whatever the reason we feel that an EV is more pleasant to drive, we are not making it up. Perhaps if you feel passionate enough you could try and have a drive and then your argument might hold more weight. EV drive days

Here is a clip of my son driving his previous EV on a track day. Untitled 210.mp4

I am agnostic on the subject however I am interested in the predicted cost. South Korea is a country that has built many reactors at home and overseas. At the moment I believe they are building a reactor for the United Arab Emirates South Korea is among the world's most prominent nuclear energy countries, and exports its technology widely. It is currently involved in the building of the UAE's first nuclear power plant, under a $20 billion contract. My question would be can we build one cheaper than this? I haven't followed today's news but I would be interested in the costings For more information about costs and build times https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-o-s/south-korea

As I drive one for a couple of weeks each year I can say that when I get back home and get into my petrol car it seems like a vibration machine. I feel like I can hear and feel each piston stroke. Just about anyone who drives an EV for even a few minutes will comment about how quiet it is. May I respectfully suggest that if you have not driven one perhaps you don't have the necessary experience to make a judgement.

That seems hard to believe to me. I cant think of any Toyotya BEV that only has a range of 100km All-New All-Electric Toyota bZ4X I have driven around NZ in a Tesla comfortably and yes distances are shorter but hills are much steeper. I am prepared to acknowledge the disadvantages and advantages of EVs and that the infrastructure is still a work in progress and that we are in the early stages of transitioning from early adopters to the more mainstream buyers. Reading back through this thread I struggle to find any such balance in your posts.; I suspect your biggest problem with them is change. If your many negative assertions are correct then the EV industry will shortly die off. I somehow don't think this is going to happen but perhaps we can see what the situation is this time next year. Getting back to insurance and the idea that insurance companies have to charge more for EVs because of exploding carparks etc. Why is @kgwilson insurance only around the $700 mark? I have verified this by using an online quote.

An article from the Telegraph (UK) says that not all EVs are more expensive to insure and in some cases (or a least one case it mentions) cheaper https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/insuring-electric-car-reasons-why-nightmare-costs-cover/ For specific models, it turns out some EVs are significantly cheaper to insure. CompareTheMarket compared the average premium on a range of models and found significant variations in costs. An electric Volkswagen, for example, was £353 cheaper to insure than its petrol equivalent. Meanwhile, an electric Jaguar was £301 more expensive than a petrol model.

Perhaps someone will know the answer to this but my understanding of the 20 million third party property limit is just that a limit. If you cause more than 20 million then I thinking that anything over than amount becomes your responsibility. It seems to me that an EV does not expose an insurance company to anything more than a petrol driven car. In recent example there was a fire in the carpark at Lutton airport. The culprit here was a diesel Land Rover. Surely if we use the potential to burn down a carpark then wouldn't land rovers cost more to insure? https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/15/land-rovers-keep-catching-fire-but-evs-get-blamed-for-luton-carpark-fire/ Every source I look at links higher insurance costs for EVs with higher parts prices, more difficult to repair in some cases, and less expertise at this point in time. The Tesla I dented needed either panel repair from a specialist or a new panel sent from the US (not sure which) but either way not as cheap as other cars. For a comparison of EV to similar Pertol or diesel https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/electric-car-insurance-premiums-compared#why-are-evs-more-expensive-to-insure I can find no evidence that higher insurance for EVs is linked to increased public liability but happy to consider any information. More and more EVs are LFP so not much to worry about there.

Just thinking about the insurance differences between EV and IC. The idea that the EV has higher premiums because of a perceived notion that the EV could burn down a car park seems a little odd. My understanding of my car third-party property insurance is that it covers other people's property is capped at 20 million. The question is does an EV have a higher maximum payout for damage to other peoples property? Let's say a car park

I am perplexed by this. Logic would suggest if car A and car B and if these 2 cars have the same monetary value but car A is more expensive to repair then why would car A not cost more to insure? OME you seem to be working overtime to prove that EVs are the work of the devil.