facthunter

You're proving my contention that there is no future talking politics on this site. Unfortunately lately it is hard to do it anywhere as people are putting up divides and classifying others all the time. It's pointless folks. Ends up BS all the time. A bit more truth in what goes for newspapers in this country would ease things.

f t when I started work we paid income tax and social services contribution which included allowing for pensions. That was all confiscated and went into consolidated revenue. Now YOU want to remove the piddling pension that no one can live on anyhow, to rub salt into the wound. . Nev

Do you have parents and grand parents or are you from another planet where there are no families to relate to?. IF you get beat up in a club and are invalided would you still talk as you do.? I doubt it. There are civilised ways that keep a society strong collectively, more needed in harsh environments. If you can just pick fruit from low trees the" I'M OK" might work (for you). Another test for a good or acceptable idea. IF it was it done to ME (meaning YOU), would it be OK? Nev

Nothing to be proud of. Nev

Stop reading what you have been reading or you will turn into a fascist. Nev

It costs over $100k per annum, to keep a prisoner in a private GAOL that has no interest in rehabilitation in this country. It is one of the biggest growth activities on our economy. Does that make sense?. In America the blacks are far more likely to be there for economic reasons. (They rarely get a lawyer) and it cuts them off the voting register. There are plenty of other ways they are discouraged from voting. Doing a few things right socially will get results (education dental medical disability,etc) None of you know when you or someone near you will be affected by a disability.

f t, your expressed attitude to old people is something you should be totally ashamed of. Civilised people respect the wisdom and contributions from of their older citizens and don't write them of as you do. Cut the pension off if they have more than 50k? These are people who have contributed taxes etc all their lives. What are they supposed to do then? It wouldn't even buy a caravan. Is your next step compulsory euthanasia? Free gas chambers for the useless old. After them what others will you want to pick on? Nev

Bit of a wild card there. No love lost either. Nev

It will all be revealed. Gold award performance according to him, but he may be bearing false witness unto himself, Nev

Don't like the truth Mate. Nev

SDQDI we all do, but this thread wasn't started by ME..

MM... You will interpret your own material as you wish. Abbott and Co really do waste much more personally than Gillard or Rudd ever did. ( Have a look at Howards bill.).. Regarding the Aircraft...No-one would have run a more ordinary aircraft than the one they used. The personal expense habits of all pollies is out her for all to see if you are interested, but you won't get a hint of it in the Murky Press who you would hardly try to tell me was even handed with it's treatment of both sides of politics. The constant reporting of Gillard Rudd and anything destabilising was done deliberately. and was very effective. Don't blame that on Gillard .She didn't seek it....Phoney gives Murky all he wants. and he gets the press that suits him.

You support taxing from 6,000? I can never agree with you there I'm afraid. I give to beggars in the street, but I'm keeping it a secret , cause those people don't deserve anything, and I will be considered a scary.. Pinko.. Nev

Adult mature government. New BWM (tank) for the Fuhrer. No further use for the(H) "Olden". car .

The B737 model that was used by the previous government was a pretty base model Business package. Tony has to have room for the unbiased press hangers on, to ride in comfort. Austerity is not required for people of Calibre. The Castle is being renovated to get rid of the odour from the previous tenants. For the others of lesser breeding, but who breed too much, income tax starts at $120 a week. ($6,000 pa) instead of Labor's $18,000.. I guess you are doing it pretty high on the hog at $17 dollars a day. and don't mind kicking in a bit extra for the cost of all this stuff. Nev

Abbott would want us out of the UN. Same mantra as the US TEA PARTY. An honest broker could have been our way of doing things and fits our size and democratic tradition and political maturity. "Deputy Sheriff for George "Wubbleyuh never went well as a concept". We will end up in a very poor light on the world stage if we don't watch it. Nev

You misrepresent my point entirely. You don't just have a vote of the masses where complex processes are concerned. My point was relating to "QUALIFIED" ie EXPERT in their field. BEST available information, on a matter of great importance

IF you need a critical operation do you canvass the mates at the RSL or get more qualified advice?. Disregarding the overwhelming number of QUALIFIED peoples views and believing the stuff put out by oil, gas and coal millionaires, ie Koch brothers Murdoch (as a mouthpiece) The second biggest shareholder in News corpse is a Saudi sheik, would not be the way to go surely? Nev

I thought it was a HUMZEE, but I could be wrong... They are so wide (they fit TANK TRACKS) that you can't pass a cigarette from driver to passenger. Life is having a vehicle that expresses your personality. or maybe that you have arrived somewhere, or perhaps impresses the neighbours.. The admen work on all that. Nev

So YOU disagree with over 95% of the qualified scientists on the warming issue?. Most of the deniers are funded by people who wish to continue making money from the carbon based economy. Who do you trust? Those who make money or those who put their views out to be peer reviewed.?. The scientific method is constantly self evaluating . This is used by it's detractors as indicating uncertainty and suggesting that the matter is not resolved at all. Don't put your money on Carbon based outcomes. It's risky Plenty of ECONOMIC platforms say so..

The greenhouse effect is proven. Without Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere the earth would be covered in ICE. Isn't it logical then that with more of it the earth warms? The oceans have been absorbing CO2 and are now acidic to a level that threatens much of the plankton and Coral.. Global warming is a RELIGION? You have to be joking. Nev

Atheism cannot be a FAITH let alone a dangerous one. An atheist is someone with no INVISIBLE means of support. Nev

Don't believe what is written in the Papers. Currently they BASH so called lefties.( Any one left of TEA Party views). Putting a label on someone generally is used to make their contribution seem less worthwhile. Dare to be different .Think for yourself. Nev

Very disappointed with your reference to myself as a red ragger for bringing up the tourism industry. Facts will support the validity of my statement. I didn't start the thread either. Are people of certain views not permitted/welcome here ? Nev

Much of the mine infrastructure is now imported whereas it was always done here. The mines don't support the construction in local communities of accommodation etc like they once did and they don't do much training of personnel. They also try to automate and reduce the human input. When you do the figures they employment stats are not that good. Tourism would employ much more and is sustainable. This LNP mob don't care about the Barrier Reef or world heritage if it stands in the way of a buck for Gina. Just watch. Nev

The whole of the New Zealand population equals that of Melbourne, and it is pretty hard to do comparisons. NZ has always been a hard. place to make a buck. Mining profits don't always get to the population of the country that is being mined and generally speaking it is not a large employer of labour after the establishment phase is over. In Australia the big disparity between mining wages and others has created a shortage of labour in some sectors and the FIFO culture has some side effects sociologically that have their costs too. It does create a two stage economy, distorting prices in nearby localities and pushing up the value of the AUD$. Something that is not good for the economy. Nev

Born and brought up in Newcastle . The Hunter Valley was my oyster. Can't bear to see the place now. Dust on everything. If that's OK by you it is not OK by me.. There are several mines in new Guinea I am familiar with. Are any of them managed properly? Honestly, if it is happening I don't see it. (restoration and limitation of downstream pollution). I've had plenty to do with mines. My grandfather died of silicosis. I come from at least 3 generations of miners.. My ancestors worked coal mines in Northern England around 1850. Nev

Yes we should learn that discussing politics here is a complete waste of time. I normally don't do it and against my better judgement, did this time. Nev

THEY blame the Labor party for everything. It's an old trick to get in and pretend to discover everything is worse than you thought so all promises made, are off. The rest of the worlds economists don't share the 'Concocted" story which was widely predicted to be put around to justify an austerity program that may well and truly put us into a recession. The Productivity Commission is hardly even handed. It reflects the Business Council and the IPA views. Gina and Mining get open slather and contribute nothing once the TAXES they should be paying are wiped out. Most of mining profits go overseas. the Hunter valley is a dustbowl with o[pen cut coal and the Great Barrier Reef will be destroyed so where is the Tourism( which IS sustainable) Industry going?. Be nice if any mining enterprise actually restored any area after they finished with it. the Industry is so powerful world wide it pushes elected governments around and abuses the local populations frequently. Nev

The LNP are on the nose with the public already, as polls show. Tony is only a part time PM. Slogans of three words is what he specialises in. All the hype and emergencies???. The IMF and other world observers will be more competent on assessing what is going on here than the self congratulatory mob that are almost invisible, praising themselves. No honeymoon for this lot. Even Rupert couldn't organise that.. Lets see if he's game to go to a double dissolution. ALL the recovery is at the expense of those who are already doing it tough. Income tax starts at $120 a week with Tony and his expenses are $240 a day, tax free, for doing public stunts. Nev

Sounds like you are in Zimbabwe. Get out before the borders are closed. Nev

Catholics have been pretty good at breeding too, by order of the Pope. Go forth and multiply has to have a limit. The earth is not an infinite resource, to end up with standing room only There are crazies ( extremists) in all religions who threaten peace. Thank GOD I'm an atheist.. We all have the same needs and aspirations . If you got to know different groups you would find there is a lot in common. Good outcomes may not happen easily. That realisation is no reason to stop trying. Nev