It keeps getting worse

[onetrack]

Law enforcement needs to concentrate on breaking up youth gangs, this is where all the problems start, from neanderthal tribal alliances. One bad egg gathers a gang around him, pollutes their juvenile thoughtlessness with criminal actions and plans, and it all goes to hell in a handbasket from there.

 

Criminals rarely work on their own, they rely on criminal cohorts to keep them informed, help cover their tracks, and to go on criminal "adventures".

 

Reform starts with juvenile reform camps, sometimes called "boot camps". The juvenile crims need to be taken out of their criminal associate environment, taught self-discipline, taught to avoid criminal urges and taught that they have self-worth. Much criminal juvenile behaviour stems from bullying, low levels of IQ making them prone to criminal behaviour and encouragement to commit crime, and poor parenting. The boot camps need to replace the poor parenting with fair but firm training and activities that occupy their time, teaches them useful skills and which burns up their physical energy.

 

An old farmer told me once, his Dad had a saying, "young men and young horses need to be worked hard!". Juveniles with excessive time on their hands, and no outlet for their energy, is something needs to be addressed. This is where the Police and Citizens clubs used to do good work. The clubs seem to be declining in their activities, no doubt due to overworked and burnt out police officers.

 

Edited October 4 by onetrack

[onetrack]

It appears Victoria has become Crime Central out of all the States, as crime levels rose over 15% there last year. The Victorian Police are grumbling about poorly-structured bail laws that allow repeat criminals to be released, straight after they've been arrested. Repeat offenders should not be bailed, repeat offending shows they're only thumbing their nose at the law.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-05/victorian-government-mike-bush-handling-of-youth-crime/105845950

 

Edited Sunday at 01:58 AM by onetrack

[red750]

Is it any wonder the police are frustrated? 

[facthunter]

Queensland has the Highest crime rate and Alice Springs the worst town.  Nev

[onetrack]

No, Qld doesn't have the highest crime rate in Australia, NT holds that dubious honour. Alice Springs is the only place I've seen Police standing at the checkout exits in supermarkets, waiting to grab the steady numbers of shoplifters, red-handed.

 

Edited Sunday at 03:45 AM by onetrack

[facthunter]

2 days ago that was the  Winner.. Nev

[red750]

One of Australia's worst mass murderers, Julian Knight, responsible for the Hoddle Street muders in 1987, in which 7 people were killed and 19 injured, has been moved from a high security prison to a medium security prison, TO FREE UP SPACE for new inmates. He has been petitioning for a security downgrade for years, so this is a win for him.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I was driving along punt road towards Hoddle street that night as he was killing people. Could have easily been my then girlfriend and I. 

 

Still shudder at the thought. 

 

There are some people that should rot in jail.. and he is one of them. 

 

He's a bit older now, but I hope a real assessment was done on him and not he is older so probably not as dangerous type assessment. 

 

[onetrack]

He'll never be released, the Govt has passed special laws specifically applying to him, to stop from ever getting any kind of release, and to stop him from using the courts constantly for his personal grievances. He makes a good case for the death penalty, makes you wonder what benefit there is, in keeping him alive.

[facthunter]

The DEATH penalty is STATE SPONSORED MURDER. Plenty of People have been Wrongly convicted and it sets the wrong standard/example. Nev

[spacesailor]

BUT ! .

When the death penalty is used , there is no compensation paid .

When the convicted  is released .

After the hue & cry is forgotten. 

spacesailor

[onetrack]

Not much fear of Julian Knight being incorrectly identified as the Hoddle St murderer, the evidence was overwhelming, He was caught with the firearms in his hands, and pleaded guilty.

 

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/inside-the-mind-of-hoddle-street-killer-julian-knight-20170803-gxodxc.html

[facthunter]

That is true But my point is the STATE doing the Killing is NOT a GOOD example . Plenty of attention seekers plead guilty to Heinous crimes to get attention. Lynch Mobs were popular in the USA.

[spacesailor]

Are " outlaws " , soverine citizens? .

spacesailor

[Jerry_Atrick]

Only when they break the laws of the land.

 

Back to the Julian Knight thing.. I am findamentally opposed to making laws to permanently incarcerate named people. I understand it may have been done because, say a psychiatric assessment concluded there is no way back for him and he should never return to society to be a threat. Fair enough. However, all it does is expose weaknesses in our parole and probation systems. If these assessmnents were robust, they would be virtually giaranteeed of never letting him out anyway, unless he was genuinely no longer a threat to society. There are many cases where probation and parole have spectacularly failed in this area. 

 

I get the law can't cover evey foreseeability and maybe this one is justified, but in the backdrop of the current failures, they need to fix that whole system up. 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

No. ( responding to spacey)

 They are More HONEST.   Nev

Edited 9 hours ago by facthunter