What has Trump done now?

[Jerry_Atrick]

22 hours ago, nomadpete said:

When will our PM grow a pair, and pull out of the AUKUS deal?

When he realises it will cost him votes.

 

19 hours ago, facthunter said:

Better done quietly so we don't Lose our Money. Nev

Too late.. we have already spent $1.6bn under the bits that allow the US or Aus or the UK to kill the deal and we will not get refunded. He should have pulled out day 1 and negotiated a better deal.. For some reason that review when Albo took office was very uick and decided to continue. 

 

19 hours ago, facthunter said:

While trump is about you tread carefully. They are Likely to treat us like Cuba IF we misbehave. Nev

It would be a lot harder for them to mount that sort of raid in Aus.. And it would cost them a lot more than Cuba already has. 

 

[Marty_d]

1.6b would be worth it.

Staying in will result in orders of magnitude more loss and still nothing to show for it.

The USA is simply not a trustworthy military ally.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I didn't say we shouldn't write off the "investment" and stop throwing good money after bad. I was merely stating we are already in loss territory. 

 

I owuld like us to buy nuclear subs form the French. The size is more appropriate to our waters.

[Marty_d]

1 minute ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I didn't say we shouldn't write off the "investment" and stop throwing good money after bad. I was merely stating we are already in loss territory. 

 

I owuld like us to buy nuclear subs form the French. The size is more appropriate to our waters.

We may have burned that bridge.

 

I'd like us to learn the lessons from Ukraine and give up on manned subs altogether.

Remotely operated seems far better in every respect.

[Jerry_Atrick]

That is true. 

 

But they would be French, and nuclear powered..

 

 

 

 

🙂

 

[old man emu]

His administration carried out human rights abuses, including mass killings, and collapsed the economy.

 

Copied from the Wikipedia entry for Idi Amin. I could not help but think that it applies to Trump.

[nomadpete]

2 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Too late.. we have already spent $1.6bn under the bits that allow the US or Aus or the UK to kill the deal and we will not get refunded.

True, we'll never see that money again. Whether we actually get the hoped for subs or not.

 

Further, I question the wisdom of continuing the massive money drain, purely in the hopes of getting some outdated weaponry sometime in the distant future. What new war toys might our military wish to buy in 2040 (or later, when you allow for expected late delivery) for all those taxpayer dollars?

 

Probably not those old-before-new subs.

 

And what manufacturing capability & quality can we expect from the New America? Their industrial abilities are not what they used to be.

[facthunter]

Make  TRUMP "OWN"  "Pulling the Plug " On the deal. Then you have the better bargaining position in the future. and world wide  exposure of a  poor show. Breast Beating is for SHOWMEN  ( idiots) like Scomo who Offsided France and China.  Never forget what the USA did to New Zealand when they wouldn't allow US Nuclear subs to Berth there, because they were anti Nuclear  policy no matter who you were.. Just Bullies. Nev

[facthunter]

Trumps "AMERICA" is dysfunctional and can be trusted by NO ONE. That's where we are at. Nev