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As well as NASA and the CSIRO

PM you know me I am happy to look at new information. As a non-scientist, I can only go to trusted sources. I am assuming that you believe CSIRO to be guilty or worse poor science or worse being deliberately misleading. There is little point in going over this yet again. I do not want to use the word denier but the people who do not accept conventional science are in the minority and becoming more irrelevant each day. The information I rely on to form my opinion does not come from fringe sources but in fact quite conservative sources. I have been re-reading Shell's internal climate report from 1988 and identified the problem. Shell acknowledged it back then and they still acknowledge it now although they seem to be dragging the chain just like tobacco companies have done. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4411090-Document3#document/p4/a415539 This is quite a long document but some salient points have been highlighted if you scroll through. Anyway, I am sticking with the majority of the research and am more than happy to change my mind if evidence to the contrary comes along and convinces the majority of scientists in this field. This is no different from how I decided on medical treatment. I think this seems reasonable,

shop ride1.mp4 Proof of life video. About 9 times real speed so a bit vertigo-inducing and not particularly interesting. Best with sound

I survived

Are you sure they are not? You would have to look at a lot of research to know that. The thing is that laypersons such as us would have a hard time reading and understanding or even being aware of the body of work on a given subject. Of course, it is not possible to compare satellite measurements with measurements from before satellites existed. But this does not mean the longer-term history is ignored. https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/climate-data-primer/past-climate We may have to agree to disagree. I am not a scientist or a medical doctor> I can only inform my opinions and choices by attempting to assess all of the information out there and evaluate its quality and rigor.

The thing is that my opinion is just that an opinion. My understanding from things I have read is that volcanoes whilst putting co2 and other gasses into the atmosphere also has the effect of reflecting back some of the energy. The thing is though for me to pontificate about numbers etc. I would want to be on firm ground I would go to reputable sources of information. You should not take my opinion as fact when there are better sources out there. If I were to put my opinion out there I would probably read this article and others. https://www.usgs.gov/programs/VHP/volcanoes-can-affect-climate#:~:text=Injected ash falls rapidly from,potential to promote global warming. The above sight is from the United States Geological Survey organization. I guess a lot depends on how reliable we believe this source to be. Perhaps this source https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/42/what-do-volcanoes-have-to-do-with-climate-change/ https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/effect-of-volcanic-eruptions-significantly-underestimated-in-climate-projections So my much less than expert "opinion" is that the C02 contributed by volcanos is many many times less than humans have produced. It also looks like volcanos have a cooling effect at least until the particulates settle.

OK folks, I am getting back on the horse (bike) for a gentle ride to the local supermarket to pick up a few things. if I am not back in an hour you can assume to worst😁

My wife and I do a short muscle-building routine almost every day. Although I ought to lose a little weight, my arms and legs are impressively muscular. My father died in 2020 at the age of 92 but although fitter in earlier years he really let it go in his early 80s I am not too concerned about the length of life but I do not want to be immobile. Losing muscle mass is very bad for many reasons.

I think it is important not just to dwell on the negative. This is something that does annoy me about some campaigners. The problem is that the "doubters" have gone from saying it is not happening or that it is some kind of plot to bring down society, to "well it might be happening but we are blameless" to it is happening and we are partially to blame but you can't change it, let's just leave it to the kids to sort out. The predictions are that whatever we do we will have to deal with a warmer planet. Mitigation is a no-brainer. Even those few who don't accept the anthropomorphic links but accept the increasing average temperature should be on board with making changes that will help us cope. It is wise not to just "doom scroll" on the internet" I try to post positive links about progress, however slow being made. This is why I posted the Andrew Forrest link. We are past the stage when it is only hippies trying to get renewable projects up. The biggest risk is giving up. “A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit”

I think once in 9000KM is probably pretty good and like with aviation the analysis provides another level of safety for my future rides. True. I think the bigger risk for me would be inactivity. My wife and I sometimes ride one of the rail trails and as I like to do a longer ride she will sometimes drive to the other end of the trail and ride. We eventually meet up. We track each other on our phones so we know where the other is. I like to joke that she tracks me so she will know where to go to recover the body.

So a problem I see here is that there is a judgment call as to someone's motives and I would argue that could be difficult to discern. I argued here a few years back for same-sex marriage. marriage referendum. I argued strongly in favour. I would suspect that the far right would deem me to be woke no matter what my motivation was. For those who believe woke refers to someone who holds a position merely for "social capital" I just wonder who determines someone's motives? My question would be, on this issue am I woke?

So a problem I see here is that there is a judgment call as to someone's motives and I would argue that could be difficult to discern. I argued here a few years back for same-sex marriage. To some, I could have been dismissed as being woke. How can anyone know my motivation? How can anyone tell if I argued this way merely to enhance my social capital? To me the word woke is quite a lazy word. No need to debate details just call someone woke. The term "woke" seems to be most often used by Trump and Desantis etc. For me, this does not add value to the word.

The thing is that your or my "wonderings" are merely thought bubbles. I tackle this issue the way I tackle health issues. I ask my doctor who hopefully is knowledgeable and is keeping up to date with the latest studies. I also want to corroborate their information. These days we have the means to do this. Whenever I am prescribed a new drug I try to read the studies on it. Does High LDL cholesterol make heart disease more likely? What I wonder is immaterial because I can't do my own epidemiological studies. Scientific understanding any any issue can change as more is learned. Scientists are not bias-free, that would be impossible. This is why studies are peer-reviewed. Science is never totally right and that's why it changes. I do think science is the "least worst" or best way of discerning questions such as how much volcanoes contribute or not and what effect solar cycles have on the average temperature. Wondering is fine if it leads to something more rigorous.

I wouldn't say that caring about air quality is purely the preserve of the "woke" I also wouldn't say that wanting to be free from Middle East oil is "woke" I think these issues get so polarised. I am sure there are EV owners who are a little overly enthusiastic about their new purchase. Often this is a reaction to misinformation that is put about, often by vested interests. I am in an FB enthusiast's group although I do not own one. It amazes me that some IC car folks join the group purely to troll and argue. I think something that bothers EV owners is when things happen like a car fire and people jump in and say "Yeah I heard it was an EV" and then it is found to be IC and they suddenly lose interest. When there is a widespread power cut and people comment about EVs not being able to be charged they disregard petrol pumps being out of action. Tired old cartoons or memes suggesting that EVs are coal-powered. Sudden concern about the environmental cost of mining for batteries but no problem with drill for oil, transporting it vast distances, and using a considerable amount of electricity in the refining process. Sometimes people (on both sides) stereotype the other. All sorts of people have bought an EV from across the political spectrum. Many EV owners own an IC as well. My son is not a tofu-eating hippy and his other car is an IC motorsport car which he competes in regularly. I don't really think the Tesla Cyber Truck is aimed at the "woke" A bit of a problem these days is that everything gets slotted into the "culture wars" EVs are just a technology. These divisions are stoked by the media for clicks. I think electricity will more than likely be how we propel our vehicles in a few years. The electricity may be stored in batteries or come from a fuel cell or some other new technology. I want to be part of the future.

Good to see powerful people working to improve things.

I think it won't be long before an electric Audi is not unusual enough to bother mentioning it. To me, this is not surprising news. Why wouldn't you use an EV if you can afford it? To me as a modern progressive person, this is not newsworthy, .

My mother has acute angina, but let's not go there!

You know the first time I saw this I assumed it was satire.

So I had a bit of an incident/accident on my bike today after 9000km of trouble-free riding. I was on one of my regular bike rides. I have done this ride many times. Lately, I have shunned the bike path on this downhill section because it is dangerously steep. The road has a more reasonable grade. Usually, I would stay on the road down to the roundabout before rejoining the bike path. One of the problems of daring to cycle in a car-obsessed society is the constant pressure not to do anything to attract criticism fair or or unfair. from motorists (usually, it is unfair). I decided to get off the road and back to the bike path but I did not anticipate what looked like a mild driveway ramp was actually quite abrupt. Whilst flying through the air in an elegant hyperbolic trajectory I had plenty of time to think Yes time does really APPEAR to slow down. My first thought was. "I hope no one is observing this embarrassing incident" My second thought was to protect my face, my beautiful beautiful face. (much more beautiful than most of the people on this forum). I ended up with a very tiny graze on my chin (no worse than a shaving incident) and several graze wounds on both hands and one knee and possibly sore muscles tomorrow. Why am I posting what might seem like something bad in a celebrating positives thread? Well, it is because at the age of almost 62 and with significant health problems I am still out there doing things I would rather get run over by a truck than sitting at home whinging about young people and things changing, etc. If you have enough to eat and a reasonable level of health for your age and someone you love and who loves you then you are rich. crash.mp4

Yes, I am in a similar position however I do celebrate those early adopters who are in a position to push into the new technologies, In earlier days I pushed into early computers and the internet. The new technologies are exciting. I look forward to the time when I will be able to get into EVs

you ate wealthy

I have no gripes because I am a white middle-class male. Unless you have extreme financial pressures or extreme health conditions (my health is not great) then for f*** ske just enjoy your life and stop whinging, (my wife is interstate so there are no constraints on my drinking) To me people who whinge are losers except in some extreme cases. You are alive you have a family, STOP F***ING WHINGING.

Is CSIRO wrong?

Are you saying that the majority of scientists believe climate change to be fiction? Please supply evidence. Look I could be wrong so I am happy to go to the CSIRO sight and recheck my assumptions. OK, so I did that https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/science Sp tell me why you think CSIRO is shit?>