The impact of Immigration

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

44 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Opposites side of the brain DO control other side MUSCLES, NOT the way  a person THINKS, GON. Congratulations on About the silliest thing you've said so far. It's a real beauty.  I believe in  credit where it's due.  Nev

 No, it's true. And natural right leaning people are predominately left-side cerebral hemisphere motivated.

 

You can't change these truths by getting angry and insulting.

[octave]

6 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

 No, it's true.

No, it is not. Would you like references?

[willedoo]

It's a known fact that a lot of people tend toward toward either a predominately left brain or right brain way of thinking. I say predominately because everyone uses both hemispheres, but most people favour one side or the other. Left brain thinking is the more practical side and the right side is the artistic side. You do your tax return using mainly the left hemisphere and the right side for painting a picture, playing a musical instrument and all that stuff. When you daydream, you are using the right side of your brain.

 

There's a good book on how to draw by Betty Edwards titled 'Drawing on the right side of the brain'. In it, there's some good examples of progress. She included a drawing by Vincent van Gogh when he was first learning to draw (at quite a mature age). It was a real shocker, and typical of someone who is totally hopeless at drawing. Then she gave an example of his work 18 months later and the transformation was massive. In that time, he'd learnt to see things with right brain perception.

[willedoo]

The Van Gogh example backs up the idea that nobody is born favouring one side of the brain or the other. Depending on what people do, they use one side more than the other. Plant operating, eg: driving machines is one field where it makes a difference.

[octave]

9 minutes ago, willedoo said:

picture, playing a musical instrument and all that stuff. When you daydream, you are using the right side of your brain.

 I think these things are oversimplified.  I can talk specifically about music, having been a musician and music teacher for my entire working life.     Music is not only artistic but also analytical and mathematical.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by octave

[willedoo]

The two sides of the brain work together, it's just that different skills and functions are controlled by one side or another. While a particular task in hand might draw on right brain function for the bulk of it's operation, the left hemisphere is still in the background performing it's tasks.

[willedoo]

1 minute ago, octave said:

 I think these things are oversimplified.  I can talk specifically about music, having been a musician and music teacher for my entire working life.     Music is not only artistic but also mathematical.l

Yes, particularly for people who read music, use sheet music and all the mathematical side of music.

[willedoo]

In that example I gave of plant operating, the right hemisphere is handling the blade work (or a bucket in the case of a digger) and the left side is dealing with the constantly changing numbers on the GPS.

[octave]

According to the AI summary

 

🧠 The “left brain vs right brain” idea

The claim that people are either “left-brained” (logical) or “right-brained” (creative) is not supported by modern neuroscience.

• The brain does have hemispheric specialization—that part is real.
  • For example, language is often more dominant in the left hemisphere.
  • Some spatial processing leans right.
• But almost everything you actually do—math, music, drawing, decision-making—uses both hemispheres working together via the corpus callosum.

Large brain imaging studies have found no evidence that people consistently favour one hemisphere in a personality-defining way.

🧾 The examples (tax vs art, daydreaming)

These are too neat to be accurate:

• Doing your tax return:
  • Uses logic, yes—but also memory, attention, language, and even visual processing → both hemispheres involved.
• Painting or playing music:
  • Not just “right brain.” Skilled musicians and artists show strong left-hemisphere involvement (timing, sequencing, structure).
• Daydreaming:
  • Linked more to the brain’s default mode network, which spans both hemispheres, not just the right.

📚 About Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

This book is popular and helpful for many people learning to draw—but its explanation is not scientifically accurate.

• Betty Edwards uses the “right brain” idea as a teaching metaphor.
• What she’s really helping people do is:
  • Stop relying on symbolic shortcuts (“this is what an eye looks like”)
  • Start observing shapes, proportions, and negative space more carefully

That improvement is real—but it’s not because you’ve “switched hemispheres.” It’s because you’ve changed how you pay attention and process visual information.

🎨 The Vincent van Gogh example

Van Gogh’s improvement is absolutely real—but:

• It’s explained by practice, training, and perceptual learning, not “activating the right brain.”
• Adults can improve dramatically at drawing once they learn to see differently, which is what Edwards is tapping into.

🧩 So what is true?

• ✔ The brain has some lateralization
• ✔ People can improve artistic skills a lot with the right training
• ✔ The book’s exercises can genuinely help

🚫 What’s not true (or overstated)

• ❌ People are “left-brained” or “right-brained”
• ❌ Logic = left hemisphere, creativity = right hemisphere
• ❌ You can switch modes by “using the right side of your brain”

 

 

 

 

[willedoo]

I don't know about that correlation between brain hemispheres and politicl leaning though. Look at people like Matt Canavan who has gone full circle from Marxist to leader of the National Party.

[octave]

Getting back to the assertion that political leanings are determined by the dominance of one hemisphere over the other.

 

It is not unusual for people to change their political leanings throughout life or as a result of particular life experiences. 

 

I came to Australia from England when I was 2.  I endured a moderate amount of bullying early on in school for being a Pommy.   This no doubt allows me to empathise with victims of bullying. 

 

My sister came out as gay when she was 17, and suffered badly due to conservative attitudes back then.  This means that I can not abide anti gay behaviour and therefore identify more with the so called left than right.  

 

As I said, I have been a musician/music teacher all of my life.  This means that I am keenly aware of which side of politics is likely to support the arts.

 

As a teenager, I was heavily involved with the Astronomical Society and had a general love for science  I have an awareness of which side of politics is more supportive of science.

 

Our neighbour and friend is a trans F to M.  My logical side says, " Do I enjoy this person's company? Anything else is irrelevant. Again, this seems more left than right.

 

Whether or not we have hard-wired tendencies, that is all they are, tendencies. Much more important is the overlay of life experience.  For some, a life event may even change someone from right to left or vice versa.  It is also not uncommon for people to move across the political spectrum as they age.

 

 

[willedoo]

26 minutes ago, octave said:

As I said, I have been a musician/music teacher all of my life. 

Good on you octave for being able to make a life long career doing something you have a passion for. 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Onetrack appears to be a left leaning Labor supporter, and reviles against white Australians with regard to the issue of immigration of all sorts of ethnic people, judging by what he wrote in his long post.

 

Had he been aware of how his brain works, that two hemispheres are supposed to work together, and had he used them, I doubt he would have come across as being so angry at white Aussies and One Nation. It was like he was denying other people the right to think and live according to their beliefs.

 

You've heard me talk about the Feast & Famine Variable on occasions. I can plot it, and to plot it I need to become totally impartial, to everything. I can switch into that mode for the time it takes to do the plotting. There is lots of rightwing stuff, lots of leftwing stuff, lots of emotional stuff .. just about everything you can think of to assess and arrive at for a day's plot line.

 

What I'm getting at here is that I can clearly see things from all sides of the spectrum without   getting angry or emotional, not that we shouldn't at times, but we need to keep them well under control, and above all, know how it affects others. Onetrack's long post has more famine than feast in it, simply because of his intent to denigrate and ridicule and becoming emotional unnecessarily.  

[rgmwa]

GON, I'm using both sides my brain to follow your arguments and logic, but not having a lot of luck so far.

[onetrack]

GON - I'm no left-leaning Labour supporter and I consider myself pretty non-political. I've voted Liberal, NP and Labor, according to the issues of the individual election on the day. Also, I do vote, meaning I still have trust in our institutions. That doesn't appear to be the case in your situation, you claim all political parties are unrepresentative of the voters.

 

But I do object to the constant right-wing whines about how all immigrants hate Australia and how the "White Australian culture" is purposely being subsumed by foreign immigrants from cultures the right-wingers love to project hate at. By doing so, they only place themselves in the same boat as the small number of Islamics who DO hate Australian values and our way of life.

 

I don't need to denigrate Pauline Hanson, she can simply bring scorn on herself with her erratic and illogical outbursts, and her obvious hatred of anyone who isn't White European, and who comes from a different culture. But above all, she proposes things with no firm plans or vision, she just loves to agitate and see agitated people.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by onetrack

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I though you might not understand you own psyche Onetrack. While ever you are like you are, you are only contributing the famine side of the human thought process. In order to have a healthy mind, there must be an equal amount of feast *and* famine in the thought process.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

4 minutes ago, rgmwa said:

GON, I'm using both sides my brain to follow your arguments and logic, but not having a lot of luck so far.

Well you need to be taught too, how to balance things out in your mind. Otherwise, you are dominated by only one side of your brain.

[onetrack]

I think you must have been studying some kind of pyschological quackery, to produce this "feast and famine" talk, involving thought processes and political leanings. I've never heard of such a thing, and I've heard and read about a lot of exotic ideas, around the workings of the mind.

[onetrack]

If you really had this "balance" sorted out in your mind, you wouldn't be carrying a lifelong, enduring and bitter grudge, against those who demanded that you be conscripted into the military.

[rgmwa]

13 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Well you need to be taught too, how to balance things out in your mind. Otherwise, you are dominated by only one side of your brain.

No, I'm pretty balanced. My feast and famine sides cancel each other out.

[willedoo]

I know a bloke who's well balanced - he's got a chip on both shoulders. I think he was born that way.

[randomx]

12 hours ago, onetrack said:

O.K. We stop immigration, who is going to do all the crap dirty jobs you expect to get done? We haven't got enough labour as it is. All the old tradies are retiring and dying off and no young "White Australians" want to take these jobs on - especially where those kids come from wealthy white families where oodles of money is freely available to them, without working for it.

 

 

Dunno if this was to my rant but every tradie l see is a younger guy. 

At any rate, and what about all the things it's ruining? Don't you care about your country and people, our young peoples future. l don;t even know any privileged rich kids and l wouldn;t be worried about em if l did. 

Thing is, we've now had 2mil in the last few yrs and they're bringing more. Down to 35% Australian by 2035, what, you feel nothing.

For one thing, if they brought the right ones, we'd have 2mil more of all those jobs. But no, only 7% of that 2mil, were people we need, 7%. This s about them hiding the real economy and numbers, not new workers.

Asians and Indians you mention, l've got nothing against them l agree , there are others though that just shouldn't be here, call that whatever you want but even the cops have said it.

 

And note l said only for 5 yrs or so, maybe longer but who knows. During that there'd still be some natural migration bc of the families but what these morons are doing is not that.

Your not seeing the big picture.

And on jobs even, Aussies use to do all those jobs and they would again but they'd also start training and doing apprenticeships again well, if the Gov fixed the real economy so that their people could afford to do those jobs again, they can't atm they'd be living in tents on rice.

 

Anywayyyyy, l'm talking about a huge picture and a country, not just a few things. 

There are much smarter people that me explaining exactly all l'm touching on and warning about it all, go listen to them- or you can do what l suggested other post, just look at what it';s all doing to other countries. Then , look aat tthe countries that are doing exactly what l'm talking about and the improvements and reversals there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, onetrack said:

If you really had this "balance" sorted out in your mind, you wouldn't be carrying a lifelong, enduring and bitter grudge, against those who demanded that you be conscripted into the military.

I've been advised I'd be banned if I carried on about conscription. But in terms of the Feast & Famine Variable, Australia was in famine while we had it, and we went into feast when it was stopped.

 

All the protests stopped, and the young men all went back into civvy employment one way or another. It wasn't easy, but we rejoined the workforce becoming productive again. We moved out of "famine" and into "feast" 

 

Mass immigration is causing a similar "famine" effect. Only a reduced and more controlled outcome will place us in "feast" again regarding immigration. "Feast" meaning settling everyones' minds to a calmer state.

[randomx]

You know, and luckily for us, well it would be if our Gov had the brains to do it anyway.

Thing is, they don't even need a brain - which s just as well, all they have to do is study what's working for other countries and what they're doing here to this degree, hasn't worked for any of them. 

Would you believe, even Musk is warning about Australia direction, saw it just the other day.

Wtf has he got to do with anything but that just shows you how bad it is.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by randomx