Middle East conflict

[Marty_d]

Hang on a minute.

Since WW2 have the Yanks put boots on the ground on the request of any European country?

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

I didn't say European, I said northern hemisphere. 

 

And the support of America does not necessarily mean boots on teh ground, does it? Haven't seen US boots on the ground in Iran yet.

 

But since you ask, European, none. But no European nation can air to air refuel without the USA. 

 

Most of the weapons systems.. provided by the USA (though that is now changing). 

 

Where would NATO be, and the defence against the cold war without the USA? You could argue with the USA bases through Europe, there were boots on the ground to prevent a real war. No?

 

And here are a few that may be unpalatable, but were at the bequest of the respective government, as I understand. Happy to be proven wrong:

• Korean war - at the request of the South Korea
• Vietnam War - at the request of the South Vietnam
• Gulf War - at the request of the Kuwaitis.
• Syrian civil war - not by Syria of course, but by those that were part of Operation Inherent Resolve
• Although no boots on the ground, Ukraine - which is part of Europe (and now being criticsed for saying its a European thing to solve - and of course, appeasing if not siding with Pootin)

Outside the northern hemisphere, Taiwan relies heavily on USA for its sovereignty. Australia relies heavily on US miltirary equipment (can we air to air refuel??). And AUKUS is payback, I guess. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jerry_Atrick

[Litespeed]

Jerry,

 

WTF are you talking about?

 

Yes , we can refuel as we have the highly effective Airbus refueling aircraft, as do European countries who are getting from under the USA for equipment. 

 

The same USA that effectively vetoes any use of equipment countries buy off them to help neighbours in trouble, Ukraine been a perfect example. The USA refused to allow the transfer of jets, tanks,missiles etc to Ukraine.

 

 

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

WTF am I talking about? Well, yeah, I got the Airbus thing wrong as before them, Europe relied on the US (and lately, I see US tankers refuelling European aircraft.. so not sure why).

 

But the rest? Are you saying that is all BS?

 

Yeah, Biden, who did live up to his nickname of sleeepy Joe when it came to Ukraine vetoed jets and other equipment. But Ukraine. a European country, still did ask for help - and still got over $20Bn of direct support from the USA. And finally, but too late, did get some old jets allowed to be transferred to them. Or did that minor fact  - and the rest of the post get missed?

 

 

 

Edited 59 minutes ago by Jerry_Atrick

[red750]

59 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

(can we air to air refuel??)

Yes we can.

 

     RAAF KC-30A Multi Role Transport

          Based on the Airbus A330

      Doubles as Albo's Air Force One

 

 

[Litespeed]

Jerry,

That would be the same Ukraine that the USA promised protection from Russia, if it gave Russia it's nukes back.

 

The same USA that has ensured Europe pays inflated prices with restrictions on its military. The same that uses its bases in  foreign countries to use military and economic power to force countries into unfavourable trade deals.

 

The same country that has forced coups, overthrown elected governments and destroyed countries to suit their particular whim.

 

The USA is a militaristic predator not a benevolent friend.