Knock down the Bondi Bridge?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

The NSW Premier would prefer that the Bondi foot bridge be knocked down!

 

How many times have we heard "We will never let terrorist attacks change us or divide us"?

 

https://7news.com.au/news/chris-minns-makes-shocking-call-for-heritage-listed-bondi-footbridge-at-the-centre-of-alleged-terror-attack-c-21304192

 

Leave the bridge as it is, lets not cave in to anyone, or group.

 

  

[old man emu]

I'm totally fed up with the carry-on in the aftermath of that horrible event. I'm sick of hearing how the circumstances of the event have been used to advance the agendas of interest groups. It's worse than the thread drift in some of th threads here.

 

However, the thought of pulling down the bridges might be circumstantial to the shooting event. The article GON refers to contains this: The meeting’s agenda notes a structural report of the two footbridges at Bondi Beach which found them to be “nearing the end of their useful life and require replacement in the next few years”. That's a reference to material placed before the Council for its consideration for normal maintenance work. If a report had been prepared, it was most likely done earlier in the year, well befoe the shooting incident, and not related to it. 

 

What seems to be clear is that if the report found that the bridges were at the  end of their useful life, then they need to be replaced so that pedestrians can safely cross the busy Campbell Parade to get to teh park and beach.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Bridge at the end of its useful life? Now I have heard everything. Over here we have had bridges stand for many centuries. As they are of histortical importance (heritage listed for Aus), they are refurbished. Yes it is more expensive, but what is the point of heritage listing if you don't preserve it?

 

Anyway, Minns says he doesn't want it to be a ghoulish reminder of the massacre. Fair enough, but I say preserve it as a monument to those who died and acted out of bravery. Maybe add a plaue to it as a reminder. 

[old man emu]

Don't forget that the bridge is concrete structure, probably with steel reinforcing, and it is within a short distance from the sea. It could hace 'concrete cancer' which would reduce its load capacity. However, the loads on it only come from pedestrians, so they would be pretty insignificant. 

These bridges form part of the historic architecture of the beach precinct. They go along with the equally historic Bondi Pavillion.

[facthunter]

Minns tends to be "All over the Place".  I wouldn't want to be in the Plane He was flying. Nev

[onetrack]

I think they should knock the bridge down, and replace it with a far bigger and more imposing one, and call it "The Bridge of Jewish-Muslim Reconciliation" - and see how long it lasts. 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

The Council is going to consult with the Jews about the bridge. There's no need to do that, I'm sure the Jewish community only want reassurance that they won't be attacked again. Knocking down the bridge won't stop that, hot-headed muslims have demonstrated in the past that they will attack in a variety of locations, in CBDs, in homes, in side streets, in service stations, and now on a foot bridge in a sea-side park. We haven't demolished CBDs, nor the other locations, so why demolish the bridge just to put one ethnic group at ease emotionally? The muslims are winning if we do that, they are causing division, and we are unwittingly being drawn into their snare.

 

The fact is, the whole population needs to be reassured there'll be no more attacks, approximately 21 people of different ethnicities have been murdered by radical muslims in Australia so far, and over 40 injured. We should ask Israel for some tips on how to control a domestic muslim population given they have one themselves.

 

Gun control will do very little because radical muslims use other types of weapons, knives, cars, and intended pipe bombs. And shutting down antisemitism won't stop 60% of the muslims wanting to get rid of the Jews, it's in their genetic makeup.

 

If the bridge is reconstructed because of maintenance, fair enough, but it looks like a pretty strong concrete structure to me. Chances are the reinforcing was galvanized anyway, being by the sea, and it's only a foot bridge. Politics should not come into it at all. Any politics will only end up Islamic terrorists versus Western lifestyle and values, that's what it will boil down to, like the ruckus in Adelaide where a female muslim writer was banned from a writers guild meeting because of this sensitive time after Bondi, and her persistence of posting about Islam. The meeting was cancelled because the writers became divided, pros and cons to her being banned. Some wanted her reinstated, some not.

 

Can you see clearly how we are letting ourselves become divided? When all the calls are for cohesion and being united. It's not going to work the way we're going on. Normally.you'd get rid of the problem, like you'd get rid of termites in your house frame. At the moment we have termites and the politicians are divided on how to flush them out. Stronger action is needed to deal with the problem, much stronger than the weak response they're providing now. Nothing shorter than more vigorous and intense vetting of immigrants is what's needed. The Universe won't collapse in on us if that is done, it can only be beneficial for a peaceful society, if we can ever achieve that. But why make it worse by being reluctant to rid our house of termites? In the current state of affairs, radical Islamists are the damaging termites.   

[facthunter]

Plenty of Home grown Barstewards too... RWNJ's , Fascists, Racists, WHITE supremacists CORRUPTION, Drug Pedallers CROOKS in General , Violent People,  People who Put NO value on Peoples Lives.  People who Kill Women. (More than one a week Here)

   Anyhow SOME of what you have said there is REALLY OFF. I agree there's no Point in demolishing a bridge. Perhaps we should forever close Bondi Beach.? Just  as DUMB a suggestion. A whole Mosque in NZ was  targeted By an AUSTRALIAN .Nev

[onetrack]

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.... approximately 21 people of different ethnicities have been murdered by radical muslims in Australia so far.....

Yep, and 51 immigrants were killed by one right wing nut job in Christchurch, and 77 people were killed in Norway by another right wing nut job - and these two mass murderers still have plenty of followers.

 

The cure is to find the radicals from each side, before they commit their ideologically-motivated terrorism attacks.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by onetrack

[Jerry_Atrick]

I agree that with Nev and Onetrack - We criticise the condemn the right-wing nut jobs - no excuses - and rightly so. The problem is there doesn't seem to be the no excuses approach when Muslims/Islamists do it. Oh, they are only in a minority of Muslims/Islamists, etc etc.  I am not saying we don’t condemn nor criticise - that is not my point, but there always seems to be some downplaying of it. Or that's how it comes across.

 

For the record, radicals are radicals no matter what ideology or race or religion they come from. They equally have no logic, are usually consumed with control, and no tolerance of others. I am not saying Islamists are better, worse, or different than the right wing nutjobs; the only difference is that of ideology and the superior race (let's face it, if you kill infidels and apostasies just for being them, you are sort of saying your race, religion, ideology is the supreme one).

 

And my point - as I have made in other posts - is this apparent toning down and accommodating for Islamist extremism is fanning the flames of right wing shite supremacy hate. They see it as they are getting a raw deal, I guess. 

 

I will give you an example in the UK. The Rotheram grooming gangs were gangs of Pakistani Muslims that groomed infidel mainly white and mainly teenage girls for sex - both under and over the legal age. When news broke about this, it turned out the police knew about it and did nothing - not even investigate the claims. They denied it initially, but finally indirectly admitted it was because of the fear of being seen as racist - by investigating a crime that was alleged to have been committed by Pakistani Muslim gangs. Guess who stepped in to fill the void? Tommy Robinson. Look him up, but a leader, if not founder of one of the right wing nutjob anti-Islamist groups, but his relentless pursuit of this has put him in the spotlight as a defender of the rights of British - and of course Farage has bought into it as well. The last right wing anti-islam immigration protest in the UK attracted well over 150,000 people. 

 

The problem is, it has moved the more pernicious elements of racism into the norm - normal people who probably wouldn't care too much are now behind him.. and you only have to see the rise of Reform UK to see the effects. And, of course, the right-wing media have picked up on it and run with it, too.

Adding more fuel to the fire is the government has also accepted the whole thing warrants a parliamentary inquiry - sort of a judicial review - and they still can't settle on a Chair for it.. when they are appointed, they almost immediately resign citing threats and political pressure. 

 

And the vicious circle continues. 

 

I certainly don't oppose immigration, from any country or religion. But the issue is that there is a perception that immigrants from certain countries or religions refuse to integrate and want to impose their culture on the host country. And the above is an illustration of why we can have problems if there is a perception on group is being unfairly given a pass. 

 

Let's not forget - it is likely most of the population don't want immigration from non-western/non-white countries anyway, if at all. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

3 hours ago, facthunter said:

Plenty of Home grown Barstewards too... RWNJ's , Fascists, Racists, WHITE supremacists CORRUPTION, Drug Pedallers CROOKS in General , Violent People,  People who Put NO value on Peoples Lives.  People who Kill Women. (More than one a week Here)

   Anyhow SOME of what you have said there is REALLY OFF. I agree there's no Point in demolishing a bridge. Perhaps we should forever close Bondi Beach.? Just  as DUMB a suggestion. A whole Mosque in NZ was  targeted By an AUSTRALIAN .Nev

When the right conditions are set to accommodate such crimes, the crimes will happen. The right conditions have been set for Islamic attacks too. Now we're getting our fair share of them. When will they stop? No one knows. 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

The cure is to find the radicals from each side, before they commit their ideologically-motivated terrorism attacks.

The security agencies usually find them by searching the net for extremist posts. But if they don't post anything, they're invisible, and they can strike at any time without warning. The police will be issued with rifles now just in case, and that's how bad things have gotten.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Grumpy Old Nasho

[old man emu]

Don't you think that saying all Muslims are bad is simply saying that one has been radicalised by anti-Muslim propaganda? What percentage of Muslims in this country are radicalised? Would the percentage be similar to the number of Whites who have been radicalised by White Supremist propaganda? I wonder what percentage of Australian-born Jews are ardent supported of what the Isreali government is doing. How about we start orrganising Christians to start in on Jews because their ancient leaders killed Christ, and also restart the war against the Moors like the Spaniards did until they expelled them in 1609. Those Moors were a bad lot. Just look at that bloke, Othello.

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

I wonder what percentage of Australian-born Jews are ardent supported of what the Isreali government is doing.

Hopefully, in a general sense, the majority - and the majoirity of Australians. I get people are aghast at some of the brutality at the moment, but why do you not ask many Aussie Palestinians are ardent supporters of what Hamas does? After all, it is Hamas who targeted civilians well demarcated from the military and then went on hiding behind their own when they knew they would be attacked.  Take a look at the videos that are readily available as to their acts, and think about what must have happened to withhold other videos from all but the darker corners of the internet. 

 

And they would have no problem doing it again, and will do it again and agian until all the Jews are killed. I haven't heard nor seen the Israeli government constantly bombarding Gaza before October 7 and afterwards there has been infractions, but not on a scale to sipe out an entire population.

 

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

How about we start orrganising Christians to start in on Jews because their ancient leaders killed Christ,

Has it stopped, yet? Lots of anti-semetism since then through how many centuries, and is still about because of this belief. 

 

I can't speak to the Moors as I don't know about them.. but that is someething else I will have research. 

 

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

Don't you think that saying all Muslims are bad is simply saying that one has been radicalised by anti-Muslim propaganda? What percentage of Muslims in this country are radicalised?

Of course not. As to the amount radicalised? Who knows? But how many sympathise, which is thhe gist of the subequent questions you ask? I would guess quite a lot. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jerry_Atrick