coljones Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 SORRY Guys 1)snop.. nip ..snip For edumificating me briefly. . . re Australian Political structure. Phil Fil, you gotta keep wirking on yr speeling - it is spelt "edumikayshin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 On a bridge near me is painted MENZIES OUT NOW so it may take a while for the news to trickle down to the bush. Which reminds me, we haven't been THE BUSH for quite a few years, ever since the yanks got their first BUSH. The way things are going over there, we may never be called THE BUSH again by our pollies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 SORRY Guys 1) I didn't realise there was another pollie thread, and had JUST read a UK Pollie post on this subject and posted here quickly ( Failing in my duty to look around the threads first ) SORRY Guys 2) From what I have read here in the past; my title comment "Say it isn't so" was intended as Irony, sorry if that was missed. YES. . . One of the blogs I read every other day is centre - right to ultra extreme right wing but extremely amusing, with some really entertaining and well read posters ( Guido Fawkes order-order.com ) Breitbart ( London) isn't bad,. . .some actual intelligent commenters there too, and the Daily Mail blogsite has been very interesting of late. But by far the funniest, is the GRAUNIAD . . .sorry, the GUARDIAN - the Bastion of the LEFT, and the BBC ( 2,500 copies are purchased for Broadcasting House [London] every Day ! ) most of my intelligent ( debatable I know ) questions are deleted, although I have not been permanently banned there. They really don't like it up 'em Mr. Mainwaring. . . ( Apologies to Dad's Army ) Probably would not be of any value to Australians to look at any of these, as UK politics and the people who populate it is/are possibly as alien to you as the Aussie stuff is to me. . . THANK YOU ALL 1) For edumificating me briefly. . . re Australian Political structure. Phil Phil, at least you have a fire-breathing opposition leader in the form of Jeremy Corbyn! Heard an interesting discussion about him on the radio yesterday. Apparently he's that rare bird who says what he thinks, doesn't spin facts and refuses to dress in expensive suits and silk ties. I can see these traits will make him deeply unpopular within his own party but immensely popular with regular people... Apparently some of his ideas have merit too... things like re-nationalising the rail network - economists are coming out and saying "Actually, that makes sense." Perhaps it's time for a shift to the left....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Time for someone capable as LOTO. Perhaps Plibersek? Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Either Tanya or Albo would get my vote. If Shorten is still LOTO come next election, it'll be Greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 On a bridge near me is painted MENZIES OUT NOW so it may take a while for the news to trickle down to the bush. That's even earlier than the "It's Time" sticker that I saw on an old Volkswagen Beetle in the Northern Rivers area of New South Wales in October last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 BTW Why is it that political threads are allowed on this site until it is decided that no more debate is to be allowed? Perhaps, when a thread is discontinued the announcement could be accompanied with some short justification. Just a suggestion. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Phil, at least you have a fire-breathing opposition leader in the form of Jeremy Corbyn! Heard an interesting discussion about him on the radio yesterday. Apparently he's that rare bird who says what he thinks, doesn't spin facts and refuses to dress in expensive suits and silk ties. I can see these traits will make him deeply unpopular within his own party but immensely popular with regular people... Apparently some of his ideas have merit too... things like re-nationalising the rail network - economists are coming out and saying "Actually, that makes sense." Perhaps it's time for a shift to the left....? Well, we shall see,. . .he's already advocated printing a few billion quid to pay for everything. Renationalise the railways ?? I remember how bad they were under state control Marty, I doubt if anyone wants to go back to that. The poor bloke has not started well regrettably, he was pictured with his deputy Tom ( who ate all the pies ? ) Watson, leaving an event in support of Battle of Britain veterans yesterday, . . .carrying two bags of sandwiches supplied free by the Costa Coffee company FOR THE VETERANS. . . ? this has not gone down very well with anyone. The press are already calling this "Sandwichgate". Anyway, let's hope that this man with his refreshingly new ideas, never having had any sort of work experience other than as a hard left student activist, can work some magic with his "Corbynomics " The hard left already know that he is the messiah, but I've yet to hear him say anything that didn't come straight out of Das Kapital. Time will tell, he has his first shot at Prime Ministers' Questions in the House of Commons at Midday today, should be interesting, as he is NOT a good public speaker, and loses his rag with TV interviewers every time he is asked difficult questions. I can just imagine him beating Cameron's skull in with the ceremonial mace. . . . Phil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 That's even earlier than the "It's Time" sticker that I saw on an old Volkswagen Beetle in the Northern Rivers area of New South Wales in October last year. Struth mate,. . .wasn't that the Gough Whitlam ALP campaign . . ? Mustv'e been a good quality sticker ! ! Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Well, we shall see,. . .he's already advocated printing a few billion quid to pay for everything. Renationalise the railways ?? I remember how bad they were under state control Marty, I doubt if anyone wants to go back to that. The poor bloke has not started well regrettably, he was pictured with his deputy Tom ( who ate all the pies ? ) Watson, leaving an event in support of Battle of Britain veterans yesterday, . . .carrying two bags of sandwiches supplied free by the Costa Coffee company FOR THE VETERANS. . . ? this has not gone down very well with anyone. The press are already calling this "Sandwichgate". Anyway, let's hope that this man with his refreshingly new ideas, never having had any sort of work experience other than as a hard left student activist, can work some magic with his "Corbynomics " The hard left already know that he is the messiah, but I've yet to hear him say anything that didn't come straight out of Das Kapital. Time will tell, he has his first shot at Prime Ministers' Questions in the House of Commons at Midday today, should be interesting, as he is NOT a good public speaker, and loses his rag with TV interviewers every time he is asked difficult questions. I can just imagine him beating Cameron's skull in with the ceremonial mace. . . . Phil. Either way, if he stirs the established political class out of their settled states for a while, it can't be all bad! Sometimes you need a bit of a nutter to make things interesting for a while. We've had a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Either way, if he stirs the established political class out of their settled states for a while, it can't be all bad!Sometimes you need a bit of a nutter to make things interesting for a while. We've had a few. Yes,. . .if he lasts long enough and remembers who his friends are,. . one of his goons bashed a BBC cameraman last night, the guy is in hospital with neck and facial injuries. . .the goon was allleged to have been Jerry's driver. ( ? ) Jerry Mate,. . .the BEEB are your lefty FRIENDS . . .don't bash them too ! Pure popcorn time, . . .I'm just waiting for PM Questions 2o'ish minutes to go. . . should be interesting if DC presses the right buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Struth mate,. . .wasn't that the Gough Whitlam ALP campaign . . ? Mustv'e been a good quality sticker ! ! Phil Yes, the 1972 campaign that brought Gough Whitlam and the Labor Party to power. It was still in pretty good shape: perhaps the sticker has been garaged for most of its life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Either way, if he stirs the established political class out of their settled states for a while, it can't be all bad!Sometimes you need a bit of a nutter to make things interesting for a while. We've had a few. Pauline Hansen really stirred up Parliament for the duration she was there. Now let's see, are there any 'nutters' left in Parliament. I can think of a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Hansen's legacy is the concentration camps we now run in the south pacific. No end in sight for that inhumane policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Are there any 'nutters' left in Parliament. I can think of a few that may fall into that category. But, in the interests of keeping Recreational Flying a decent site, I will refrain. I am also going to spend more time on the non-political threads in this great forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Phil everything you want to know about Turnbull is here. A long history of attachment to the Labor party and strongly anti-Liberal. Even some communist sympathizing links. Some UK connections there also. Former party leader Brendan Nelson in 2008: “Most of the people who supported him [in the Liberal party room ballot for the leadership] voted for him to get rid of him… If you had any idea of what he said to me over those 10 months [of Nelson’s leadership], you would be shocked... You need to look up narcissistic personality disorder. There’s about 5 per cent of the population who are born with narcissistic traits, and about 2 per cent have narcissism. He’s got narcissistic personality disorder. He says the most appalling things and can’t understand why people get upset. He has no empathy.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 is here. Someones got to much spare time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Someones got to much spare time. In the USA they get to scrutinize their leaders quite a lot before the elections, we don't at all. Heck we often don't even get to elect them. The majority in recent years at least have turned out to have mental disorders and need professional help, not a leadership role. Why shouldn't a detailed psych evaluation be compulsory for this job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Phil everything you want to know about Turnbull is here. A long history of attachment to the Labor party and strongly anti-Liberal. Even some communist sympathizing links. Some UK connections there also. Former party leader Brendan Nelson in 2008: “Most of the people who supported him [in the Liberal party room ballot for the leadership] voted for him to get rid of him… If you had any idea of what he said to me over those 10 months [of Nelson’s leadership], you would be shocked... You need to look up narcissistic personality disorder. There’s about 5 per cent of the population who are born with narcissistic traits, and about 2 per cent have narcissism. He’s got narcissistic personality disorder. He says the most appalling things and can’t understand why people get upset. He has no empathy.” Utter drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 In the USA they get to scrutinize their leaders quite a lot before the elections, we don't at all. Heck we often don't even get to elect them. The majority in recent years at least have turned out to have mental disorders and need professional help, not a leadership role. Why shouldn't a detailed psych evaluation be compulsory for this job? Everyone is a little crazy - even your Brendan Nelson flirted with the ALP, wore a stud in his ear, was the president of a major trade union well noted for applying the blowtouch to the bellies of government that antagonise it or its members and now rides a Harley - none a good look for somebody supposedly of mental stability. Oops, ALP flirters aren't too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I was referring to our PM's mostly being mentally unstable and wasn't in any way endorsing Brendan Nelson, I don't know much about him. Seems to me Turnbull is another Rudd (although his most recent act of treachery is more Gillard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 That's what I love about this... watching the conservatives whip themselves into fury because the new leader of their party dares to have a few progressive ideas. You can relax Gnu - he's had to make a few promises to the cons in his party in order to get the job, so it's very likely that his progressive side will be substantially suppressed. Of course, when all the swinging voters realise he's not going to be everything they expect, his popularity will plummet. In the meantime maybe Cory will splinter off and you can vote for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I tend to agree Marty (although I've never had a connection to the Liberal Party). The whole thing is media driven; now they have their pick they will turn on him, they exist to make the news after all and will push for whichever side they think will provide the most newsworthy drama. Like you I expect the Liberals to sink again before long. As opposition leader Turnbull was a real dud (all the polls & dates in the link above). As Communications minister it was a $15b budget blow-out so the days of balance or surplus are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 so who are you going to vote for in the election GNu? I must say as a lifelong liberal voter, I find it hard to reward disloyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Loyalty to a complete idiot is being totally disloyal to the electors, who voted for a variety of reasons and certainly not to the establishment of a dictatorship for 3 years. Both Turnbull and Gillard were entitled to display their loyalty to the Australian people by ridding the highest elected office in the land of a person they perceived as a dud. Our democracy would not tolerate a one party state and should not have to tolerate a one person political party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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