Old Koreelah

On 20/7/2023 at 5:06 PM, red750 said:

https://au.yahoo.com/news/detail-in-airport-photo-leaves-aussie-travellers-bloody-confused-050704048.html

Sorry to be late with this comment, but this statement:

A photo of a display at Mackay Airport in Queensland's North riled 2GB host Ben Fordham on Thursday, who argued most people would not know the Indigenous names for locations such as Brisbane and Townsville
Surely that the whole bluddy point! -about time we learned a bit about our own country’s history!

2 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

I have seen cattle stations , handed to abos, become shamefully neglected and money-losers.

Bruce there are plenty of examples of that, but also plenty of white fellas have mismanaged what they have been given. 

I’m a bit cynical about some of these pastoral handbacks. What training had they been given in preparation for running these stations? I believe some of these runs had never been successful when experienced white fellas were in charge. I suspect they were set up to fail.

It reminds me of the Soldier Settlement scheme, when diggers who had survived The Great War were given a little parcel of land to farm. Some made a go of it, but many never had a hope, with little experience on too-small blocks of marginal land that the clever squatters had avoided. 

Should have gone to Speksavers!

Pesky buggers crap on our verandah and I’ve had one female walking around on our roof.

My wife mows the stuff near the house, I wizz the rocky stuff. 

This is mine a moment ago:

A family of Wallaroos on our lawn.

The white building 12km away is the old Bondi Tram terminal, relocated, reclad and repurposed as a farm shed.

The low 35 away is Breeza Mt.

The MS media have done a great job of convincing voters not to trust government. Voter turnout in the US is appallingly low and the obscene Republicans are making it much harder for minorities to vote.

The Democrats should be campaigning with the slogan

“vote while you still can”. If they don’t turn out to toss out this utterly corrupt congress, they’ll lose the chance. 

If Trump gets back in the White House Australia will be in a real pickle too;

No Nuclear subs, alliances shredded, trade insanity…and lots of US refugees.

21 minutes ago, spenaroo said:

makes you wonder what the outcome would have been if the USA hadn't destroyed the Nuclear weapons Ukraine possessed in the 1990's

Good point Spenaroo. 
There’s no mystery about why fat little Kim is investing so much of North Korea’s limited resources on nuclear weapons; he saw what happened when Iraq and Libya gave up theirs. Not having nukes is a guarantee that America and it’s allies can destroy your country.

21 hours ago, facthunter said:

If it's ignored everyone who wants to know, will know it was. IT would be publicly available. Uniform building regulations $#!t ME too. Houses only have a real life of about 40 years and are often NOT worth  repairing at that stage.  Nev

Mine has already passed that milestone. My workmanship may not be neat as some, but it’s built solid, using over 200tonnes of material, using passive solar design that should make it a viable home worth maintaining far into the future.

48 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

The Roman occupation of Britain lasted 400 years, but in the end they left. Perhaps that is the long-term plan.

Not likely to happen, when so many of us are 5 or six generations in this country. Reminds me of the cartoon of an old Native American getting all excited about the Apollo program; he though all the white fellas were gonna bugger off his land and go to the moon.

1 minute ago, willedoo said:

It is odd when you take into account that on a state basis, the LNP has had two brief stints in government of five years total out of the last 34 years. In state elections, the LNP picks up the obvious rural vote, small business and electorates of retired Victorians, but nowhere near enough to win government. I can never figure out why Labor does so bad federally in Queensland. It's always been one of those states where federal and state issues are separate at election time, so that might have some bearing.

One possible reason is how state politicians north of the border always play the “putting Queensland first” card.

Back to climate, a worrying recent discovery: 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-07-21/greenland-ice-core-secret-us-army-base-reveals-dramatic-melting/102609654?utm_campaign=abc_news_web_vertical_share&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web

The only upside I can see is that so many climate change deniers have flocked to Florida and other beachside locations. Their investments will be under water within a few decades. Do they care about their children?

1 hour ago, spenaroo said:

He knows that, and is doing his upmost best to keep every other party out of direct conflict.
the only chance he has is by using traditional land tactics of artillery and land warfare. where its a battle of attrition

Sadly, I agree. Putin’s attacks on civilian targets are not just vengeance- he’s forcing them to use up their scarce defensive missiles. 

Haliburton and all the other weapons makers must be popping the bubbly corks- huge orders, massive profits from supplying both sides, just like several American corporations did in the first years of WWII.

12 minutes ago, old man emu said:

And if the Voice was going to be such a great thing for Aboriginal people, why are some of its greatest critics the very people whose lives it is supposed to improve?

Because they want more, much more.

Some want autonomy, others a Treaty (as promised by Hawke).

How do you make treaty with 255 separate groups?

Meanwhile, why is nobody comparing this proposal to NZ, where, for 150 years, they’ve had seats in Parliament reserved for Maori? That doesn’t seem to have caused any damage to their democracy.

Sad to realise that many voters still beleve Dutton and the crew who brought us Robodebts and the most blatant rorts. The No campaign is obviously being well-funded by the rich end of town and overseas-owned corporations (who rip huge profits out of this country but pay no tax!)

What hope for Australia?

9 hours ago, red750 said:

When Albo releases, then we may be able to research properly.

 

Like the menu that said "Food".

When asked for details, the waiter said, "It's good for you and you'll like it. Can't tell you more."

That old arguement is getting a bit tired.

People who actually read Australia’s Constitution find very little detail about anything and this country is still pottering along okay.

I’m not optimistic, OME. A Referendum in this country has little chance without  bipartisan support and the conservatives are in real wreck-it-all-costs mode.
 

The sad reality is that heaps of voters are too lazy to do their homework, so they’re easily led by the cleverly-crafted No campaign.

9 hours ago, facthunter said:

 Constantine declared the triumvirate when the others couldn't come to a decision.. Muslims say there is no god but Allah. But you are not allowed to have images of it. Mohammed is the final Prophet. Jesus was also a prophet but superceded by a "better" one that you have to speak Arabic to understand.  Nev

They’e still at the stage the Catholic Church was centuries ago, when it burned alive the bloke who dared to translate the Latin Bible into English.

3 hours ago, nomadpete said:

Just because the indigenous mobs have inhabited this part of the globe for a long time, it doesn't automatically mean  that their legends are all over 50k years old.

Good points NP. As you say, not all legends/myths are old; a few more recent events like WWII bombings have been passed down via corroboree.

The most fascinating aspect is how many Australian myths appear to stem from verifiable events in the very distant past. It might be interesting to compare these with other continents to see which culture has a more reliable record of actual experiences. Our Old Peoples probably had far fewer upheavals than cultures in Eurasia, so perhaps more accurate stories.
I have no doubt that some of the Hebrews’ Old Testament is derived from past events, but so heavily distorted, censored and manipulated over the eons that it’s of little use to historians.

Even the clever Japanese only have 6 stars, when Australia’s Old People knew there were seven.

During WWII the Allies gave up on assasinating Hitler, realising his stupid strategic mistakes was their greatest assett in Germany. 
The same may apply to Putin. 
 

The most likely factor to deter him from attending that SA conference is fear of a palace coup while he’s away.

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

In terms of human knowledge, The Bible is a recent compilation. My opinion of that part of the Bible that we call the Old Testament is a compendium preserving the  historical, practical and spiritual history of the Hebrews. It was mostly written down after about 600 BCE. The historical references such as the Exodus and Exile to Babylon can be confirmed by archeological studies…

What archaeological evidence is there for Exodus? I’ve read that there’s nothing about Hebrews or a slaves revolt in Egyptian records.
 

All nations seem to create myths to justify invading other peoples’ land; Australians were raised on the fallacy that this land was empty and not owned by anyone. The Yanks justified repeatedly breaking treaties with the natives and their genocidal wars as “manifest destiny”. The Hebrews claimed god had promised them a land flowing with milk and honey…

Until people stop believing religious zealots, there will never be peace; this is just one map being used to justify killing and maiming innocents:

30 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

Sounds like a conflation of an old bible yarn.

Looking too hard to join the dots of random fact, to prove a theory.

Coincidence does not equal causation.

So you think these people lived here for thousands of generations, but didn’t notice anything happen?

30 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

 

I do not doubt that Aussie Indigenous used stars to aid navigation.  But where is the evidence to prove these greater postulations?

That evidence was there all the time, but arrogant white fellas didn’t look. Presumably, they thought those primitive black fellas could contribute nothing to science.

Here are a couple of places to start:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-32701311

https://careerswithstem.com.au/aboriginal-astronomy-about-the-seven-sisters-worlds-oldest-story/#gsc.tab=0

On 7/7/2023 at 10:19 AM, facthunter said:

SKY was more factual than it is now. Nev

Tonight’s doco showed how noxiously anti-fact SKY can get.

“The Dark Emu Story” on ABC outlined the story of his famous book, as seen by many scholars and commentators. His critics were given plenty of airtime and one even sat down to talk with him. They disagree with how he has interpreted the evidence, but it seems the book contains lots of historically verifiable accounts that have sure upset the conservatives.

That set off Murdoch’s attack dogs, leading a vicious campaign to discredit his decades of careful research. He’s an old man trying hard to make a positive difference to our country, but these low forms of life nearly broke him.

Time to re-post this classic:

1 hour ago, nomadpete said:

Primitive religious beliefs appear to be more related to disembodied spirits that lived in rocks, volcanoes,  trees, oceans, etc.

The word “primitive” needs reviewing, having for too long been used by arrogant westerners to dismiss the ideas of peoples living closer to nature. 
We are slowly starting to gain new respect for many ideas that were formerly called primitive.