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I have a copy of a speech by Lang Hancock proposing to build the channel with atomic bombs.

Look for Gentleman’s steam bicycle on YouTube to see the alternative to an ebike

We once built a house to an architect's design that had a 27 degree bend in the middle of the floor plan. The architect marked it as 30 degrees and the builder spent a day trying to peg it out. When he challenged the architect, he said “ what’s three degrees anyway?”.

There is very little media willing to examine those people. They are out in the public domain pushing ill- founded nonsense. I don’t think the Murdoch or any press would bother with me.

Dozens of battles have killed tens and hundreds of thousands each time. Several of the Chinese ones have killed 500,000 plus each time. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_by_casualties

Well done! Wish I had picked it, we have one on the bench.

• To think the world is doing "all it reasonably CAN" is pure BS.. There's NEW possibilities Not despair and end of profit (except for Coal powered  generators eventually)  NEW ones are NOT economic. Old ones are unreliable. .Rockefellers got out of oil ages ago and even the Saudi's are selling out of it.. It's NOT the end of the world at all. Tourism employs about the same as mining does in Australia and mining will be increasingly mechanised and use robots. and off site control. Any extra oil we get should only be used here. 
   
        Foreign companies are the majority and renowned for paying no tax and doing a great deal of environmental damage they will never rectify. REAL costs of using carbon are NOT paid  Yes we are a joke and derided around the world and deserve to be. Per Capita we are second in the world as polluters of Carbon. Pulling your weight and. being fair counts. We all live on the same planet.  and Australia is known for it's standard of living  but HOW it's achieved is also of interest to the rest of the world IF it's done by unpopular and damaging means we will suffer. There's no avoiding it. Nev
   
  

  The Mining Equipment, Technology and Services (METS) sector in Australia is thriving, dynamic and world-leading. Generating over $90 billion annually in revenue, employing around 400,000 people and exporting to more than 200 countries globally.
   
  See http://www.austmine.com.au/
   
  

I read two days ago that the indigenous leaders are seeking a two-year funded training programme to train indigenous people how to do indigenous burning. Sorry, can't now find the reference.

And my point is that the strident calls for immediate 'de-carbonisation' are pointless posturing. The world is doing what it can, but we are dependent on fossil fuels for 85% of our energy. What would Greta have us do? Fossil fuels all produce carbon dioxide when burned. Why do you pick on coal in particular? I don’t think Greta or the other alarmists single it out. They want all fossil fuels stopped.

if we are going to destroy civilisation, and that is what would happen, we need a much stronger reason than any that can be derived from dodgy computer models and dishonest pseudo science. 

Humans have killed millions of other humans. Volcanoes, not so  many.

But....our economy depends on energy for all sorts of activities.

4.8% of electricity generation but 2% of energy. (Such as fuel for aircraft and vehicles).

Everything went grey for me, I have called emergency services.

They might land in a middle eastern country and face peasants with pitchforks. Or land in the Ukraine where they really hate Russians.

The figure quoted in the analysis of the report is 4.8%  for wind stated from within the report here, just scroll down to the section on wind power or perhaps even read the whole thing

 

I think we are at cross purposes between energy and electric power generation. 

Octave - Page 9 of the report has total world consumption at the bottom by type of energy. It rolls renewables into one item. To split out the renewables you need the table on page 52 which is expressed in terrawatt-hours. So you can proportion that out against the renewables item, from page 9.

https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/energy-economics/statistical-review/bp-stats-review-2019-full-report.pdf

Flannery and the cranky girl are legitimate targets.

The contribution of wind power globally is 2% and not the less than 0.5% I quoted, which I find was a few years out of date. The latest figures are from the report BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2019 68th edition

In this review, primary energy comprises commercially-traded fuels, including modern renewables used to generate electricity.

MTOE is million tonnes of oil equivalent.

Oil

Natural Gas

Coal

Nuclear

Hydro

Wind

Solar

Other renewables

Total

I have the same problem on windows and iPad. Have looked for a solution but no joy.

Installed capacity globally, versus power actually delivered. I will find references tomorrow.

"Again I do not buy the notion that decarbonizing means a sudden and dramatic drop in living standards. Perhaps you could offer some examples."

Octave, I agree with you that we should decarbonize to the extent possible without throwing the world into recession and killing tens of millions of people. The problem is that the suggestions from Greta and her supporters would do just that. The world is heavily, heavily dependent on coal and oil and best estimates for a "safe" transition are 30-50 years. If that is your proposal, I agree. Even then of course, we will still need metallurgical coal to produce iron and would need a new technology to replace plastics with something that is not a by-product of the oil industry. The technical challenges are huge and we don't have a plan at present. Wind power globally produces less than 0.5% of our energy and is unlikely to become significant. 

A video on the "97% consensus".

I once helped someone on the dirt road between Ivanhoe and Darnick. He had a flat tyre and the little Holden spanner wouldn't undo the nuts. Mid day, mid summer and he was carrying no water. Was quite stressed.

Assuming TRUE means warming is caused by humans, FALSE means warming is a natural cycle.

TRUE & ACT   great reduction is standard of living, huge human cost in developing nations, need to adapt anyway. 

TRUE & IGNORE need to adapt anyway

FALSE & ACT great reduction is standard of living, huge human cost in developing nations, need to adapt anyway. 

FALSE & IGNORE need to adapt anyway.

No, no cash changes hands! It would require new cash, from the taxpayer, to make a change. That is why those big countries don’t seem to care, they just can’t afford it.