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Obama and Biden weren't openly and transparently corrupt. They didn't put morons in charge of the armed forces, the FBI, the education system, the health system, etc. They didn't do everything they could to wreck the world's longest lived modern democracy for personal gain and to satisfy a bloated ego. They didn't do everything they could to stop the fight against climate change. They didn't rip up international agreements like the Iran deal just because they had a petty dislike of the previous president. They didn't shut down news organisations and use stand over tactics like thugs when facts were aired that they didn't like. But hey, if all that means absolutely nothing to your friends, I guess they have the president they deserve.

If your US friends don't think it would be better under literally anyone else, they're not thinking full stop.

Most of his appointees are pretty short on intelligence. And morals, ethics and character

There's a financial component too I believe. Labor made changes around electoral funding which benefits parties over independents. One commentator said they could form a party called "the Independents" and allow conscience votes on every issue.

Given up? Does that mean at some point you did believe anything he said - about anything?

Do they use a lot of finger gel? 😄

From 1997 - 2022 there have been almost 1500 school shootings in the USA. (Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38433681/) To my knowledge there have been 2 in Australia since 1991 which resulted in death. There's a damn good reason some freedoms are restricted.

After the longest apprenticeship in history, Charlie probably doesn't have much left in the tank. After Andrew's behaviour it makes sense to skip that generation and stick Will on the throne.

Teals are still discussing whether to form a party too. If they did I could picture a few moderate Libs jumping ship. And Teals would poll a lot better than PHONey in urban electorates.

No, I was responding to GON's comment about people supporting one nation. If there's a large crossover in the Venn diagram of PHONeys and flag wavers then I guess the (MAGA) cap may fit, but I know correlation<>causation.

All it means is Australia has stupid people, just like the US. They have a greedy narcissistic psychopath in the oval Office, busily stealing everything that isn't nailed down for himself, his family and criminals who rioted in the Capitol. That anyone here would want the same thing is a poor reflection on their mental processes.

I liked one comedian's take on why Trump didn't fly to the Bahamas for his son's wedding... Flying to an island makes him miss his mate Jeffrey.

Rock the Casbah? (I don't know the woman)

Yeah that would involve a working knowledge of electrickery.

Bit damp down here at the moment, over 140mm in last 3 days. Our little creek which is normally a gentle trickle.