turboplanner

So you two just want to give up and wear your tweeds to the sites; would that help?

Good, I hope you also give a little thought to the dozens of roadside workers killed around Australia over the years by motorists who told police they hadn't seen them.

I have a cousin who is married to an Indonesian from West Papua. They regularly travel up there with their son, and up into the hills. The main atrocity is when a pig is killed for the BBQ.

About where the middle line of nails is Hiho and then he can duck his head down the crack as much as he likes, but his guts are going to feed the seagulls.

Yes sorry, my expectations were too great; these comments are fine for the Atheist Knowledge thread.

Right, no evidence, no information from the Australian Government, no claims from the East Timorese Government, we just have to take your word for this sensational story.

It was a Spotted Square Section Hunter, common to southern regions.

Tell us some more about East Timor?

My cousin's son was pushing the throttles on that one. Don't tell anyone but they go up there once a week to get the best take away noodles in all of Asia!

Trouble is I usually see one when the only weapon is a rotten stick. By the time I got the keys, opened the gun safe, opened the ammunition safe, clawed my way back through years of debris, he's long gone.

I use the Winchester process myself, but you're right; a friend, seeking to relocate a noisy blackbird outside his bedroom, shot the tap off the water pipe.

Snakes should always be relocated as quickly as possible.

That's exactly what I'm talking about; a complete was of time.

You can dare, but I've made a lifetime decision to steer clear of atheists as much as I can. I made an effort to go right back through the history of the world, but when you read through the thread the majority of it is just unfounded invective, and baseless crap.

I can understand FT not knowing he'd slipped on a banana, but you live in Victoria, surely you've seen the headlines this week? surely you've seen the parliamentarians in a line all holding up the front page news of the latest Labor scandal. Thank goodness the last extreme political thread was locked; this one need's Ian's touch as well. Can't you find any political forums where you can post your trash?

No, it wasn't from the department, it was from the Victorian/Tasmanian Regional Commander of one of the department's operations units. It needed to be kicked up several notches in the hierarchy before it became a departmental communique.

A good way of losing the Canning byelection would be for the government to introduce a nazi style secret police. The Labor Party's immigration policy is very sound, and Labor is in bipartisan rapport with the Government, and while some cat calling is to be expected, taking advantage of the press activities, they know the Australian people support the bipartisan approach, so there are other more productive strategies to chose right now.

Those sorts of communications happen every day between staff - FYI emails cc emails etc - there's a sea of them, and what you quoted here relating to the Federal Minister's media adviser, an unspecified sender to the media adviser, "Victorian Border Force", Assistant Immigration Minister Michaela Cash and an apology from someone for not making it clear the ANF press release was to be published on the Friday. This implies that the press release content had not been brought to the attention of the Minister, and the Prime Minister. The Victorian Commander of ABF has publicly taken responsibility for the wording stuff up. There's no suggestion that the Commisioner of the ABF in Canberra was aware of a problem, or had changed ANF operating procedures to include wandering the streets picking you and I, asking for our papers, or suggesting that the "innocent until proven guilty" convention had been changed. Apart from any of that, there is a separation of powers between operations of the ABF, which is controlled by the Commissioner, and operation of the Government, which is controlled by the Parliament and through the Minister and Prime Minister. They can't just issue orders to the Commissioner to go out and kick some a*rse. So yes, the plan to have ABF join the Victorian Police, Victorian Transport Police and Victorian Sheriff's Office at several hot spots was a Victorian plan.

Yes and you've made up these stories before, and never backed them up.

It would be called corruption here too and is a crime, so how about giving us some examples?

Why would a Federal Minister be reading press releases? They are for the press. The Victorian Premier receives around 10,000 emails a day. On a direct comparison you could multiply this by six for the Prime Minister, and Ministers would not be far behind, which is why they employ sizeable staffs to handle correspondence (I think about 40 in Victoria). If this was a Federal issue, emails may have been passed on. However it was a Victorian Government (Labor) initiative involving Victoria Police, Transport Police and Sheriffs Office. It was to be a blitz no different to the usual exercises Victorian departments conduct. Members of the Victorian/ Tasmanian Australia Border Force were to tag along to be on hand should any Visa issues come up. The Australian Border Force has a Commissioner in much the same way as Police Forces have Commissioners, and their operations are at arm’s length from Government, so there was no requirement or need for either the Prime Minister or the Minister for Immigration and Border Protection to be involved in or have any say in the operation. A lot of the confusion may be coming from the fact that the ABF was only formed on July1 , being an integration of Australian Customs and Department of Immigration, whose officers have worked together for decades. The Press Release, which seems to have set off the hysteria was authorised by the ABF Regional Commander for Victoria and Tasmania, Don Smith. He is the person you need to take it up with if the wording indicated that we are about to become a Police State. His mistake seems to be this line: “ABF officers will be positioned at various locations around the CBD speaking with any individual we cross paths with.” The word “positioned” as in police or sheriff checkpoints seems to have been overlooked by some who have claimed ABF officers would be walking the streets asking us all for our papers, and we would be guilty until proven innocent. This is a link to Andrew Bolt’s update today, spelling out facts which have been very short on the ground in this thread: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/andrew-bolt-border-force-protesters-lose-plot-over-tony-abbott/story-e6frg6n6-1227504983713 This is a link to the Australian Border Force Act https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Series/C2015A00040

That contains more fact than many of the other posts T.

A ridiculous statement! You clearly don't know any police families!

No, definitely not; neither Minister is active. I think the rot started when CAA was formed and aviation fell into the hands of a corporation and all departmental processes were lost.

As expected.