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Very, it would be nice to see a fact.

No, but you could have a look at the Labor founders of Getup and see what the real agenda is before getting carried away on the strategic hype.

No need to get excited, it's just getup trying to boost their party vote.

Not can't, just not interested. I did take you seriously for a while, and this was almost something original, but has nothing to do with religion.

What? supply supporting evidence for a post which didn't supply supporting evidence? Dream on.

Yes and No. The leveling factor is the electronic media which gives both sides the opportunity to tear down false assumptions, and many have been torn down over the last decade.

That's exactly what I was talking about - mindless use of forum space. People who want to do their homework would not be sucked in by your simple examples. These days, particularly with the benefit of the digital age, you can find the archaeological evidence, the anecdotal evidence, the musical evidence, and you can cross reference ancient sources. Week by week the incorrect histories are being exposed for what they are.

OK then, history doesn't exist, so you can stop pedalling some academic's version of the "History" they want you to believe. That should free you up to go and do your homework on the past.

In that case your beef is with one of the Christian denominations - there's a wider world out there that doesn't flog that story, which usually changes for a few minutes when you throw money in the plate.

That should be the way it is, but the people I'm talking about appear to be without belief, say nothing that indicates any attempt at studying history without a chip on their shoulder, but just sit on the fence waiting for someone to post, then come out like a small dog, mindlessly yapping.

See - boring and unimaginative. Who said anything about going to a church service?

But it would be dull beyond belief.

It's a free country, you can assume whatever you like.

I believe in research, and research is not a scam, so you'll have to go keep looking.

Time you people got off the Christians, and looked at the bigger picture of belief in God; I explained the Christian scam hundreds of posts ago, but some of you just don't seem to be able to get over the last 2,000 years and into the interesting stuff.

Well that infers you don't have the luxury of belief in anything, which sounds about right.

But what if he's just in the twilight zone?

Why don't you get started, it would be interesting.

I'd have to say I understand your post much better than the peculiar post before it K.

Well there you go Marty - unable to tell the difference between love and lust.

Good post nomad. What Jesus Christ was teaching, before Saul turned on the PR, was what his Nasoreans believed in, which had none of the power/controlling/demanding aspects of some of the Christian sects. What the Nasoreans had in common with even more ancient religions, including the teachings of the Virachochas in South America was a belief in looking after other people and leaving the world a better place.

All of that is part of the process, and I've mentioned before that the Parliamentary precinct has about 2,000 people working in it on non-sitting days and swells to around 4,000 on sitting days. This is the 44th Parliament, but the Press seem to have the impression that you wouldn't know who they were talking about if they called it that, so they call it the Abbott Parliament and you prove the right by thinking the person named makes all the decisions. However, what I originally suggested was an oversight in the background to catch all the out of date and inappropriate leaks of our taxpayer funds. Billions of dollars go down the tubes in the base-load on things/structures/groups we don't need or want, and the outgoing flow of money just continues on. The speed of the political process means that Parliamentarians are looking ahead, not behind, and the harvest of our money just grows and we pay more and more taxes.

Just the same anti-religious stream coming from the same people, and mostly aimed at the side issue of Christians rather than the opposite of atheists.

The public service still does that, but in some areas are prone to agendas, and in others take money from the good old boys so they can make money, and in others get mixed up in union matters - just needs some oversight. Lobbyists, which now comprise lawyers and ex politicians, and go in hard on a big scale with no oversight whatsoever, just working for financial interests are definietly swaying decisions, and should be banned. The weak wristed "control" placed on them is the requirement for them to be "registered" and listed on the Parliamentary website. Take a look at the lists - nearly as many lobbyists as there are parliamentarians.