octave

"(not sure what this means English? White?)"How about," AUSTRALIAN " without a foreign accent, so with my impaired hearing, I don't have to ask for an INTERPRETER.

 

English people can't be classed as prejudiced as the original people no longer exist.

 

So being born there (England), and married to a person from another country, with children of different race's, I'm a mixed up "New Australian", having difficulties with" Trades-persons" doing my medicals, that I can't understand.

 

Most "Anglo's" are white. Including Scandinavians, Russians & most of Europe. ( not just poms ) .

 

You can give too much assistance to immigrants ( those three points to get them a degree), that dispossess the native people.

 

spacesailor

"having difficulties with" Trades-persons" doing my medicals" So are you suggesting that doctors who are not "Anglo Saxon" are not competent. If so why don't exercise a little bit of autonomy and look for a doctor that you feel is competent?

Even if the 3% thing was true we are talking about the top few percent of people academically speaking who are accepted. The entrance requirements are the easy bit. My son's friend (lets call him dr Al) used to write a fantastic blog while he was med school and during his residency, it was very enlightening and quite humorous. But the upshot is some people who start who and may be academically impressive still don't end up making the grade.

If you really believe that "foreign doctors" do not reach the level of competence that non-foreign doctors reach why on earth don't you make the effort to find a doctor you trust. I have a heart defect and when this was discovered I was referred to a specialist. My doctor suggested some names of specialist, I asked which ones had the most experience and the best reputation. I did not make a decision based on ethnicity. I do appreciate that you may have trouble understanding a Chinese or Scottish doctor with a strong accent then perhaps that particular doctor may not be right for you. I have sometimes changed doctors, not because of accent but from attitude, I don't like being talked down to.

The stereotype is usually that Asian people tend to be high achievers when it comes to academic pursuits. I certainly find that they tend to place more importance on progress and achievement than locals.

Octave, it is my understanding that British qualifications for medicos are accepted in Australia without any more exams.The pathway was from India and Pakistan through London to Australia.

I am quite comfortable seeing a doctor who has been registered in Britain, we have similar systems. In Britain, all doctors have to go through a process called revalidation (much like a BFR). I can't see any evidence of a policy (at least at Sydney Uni). It does have to be remembered that the ATAR is not the sole admission criteria. One could have an ATAR 99.95 (the highest admitted in 2018) and be a total cold hearted unfeeling person and therefore not suited.

I am interested in facts rather than hearsay. I have no comment to make on the admissions practice in Adelaide in 1990 as I can find no solid information either way. But the notion that "anglos" (not sure what this means English? White?) are excluded from studying medicine is demonstrably false. https://medicaldeans.org.au/md/2018/12/2018_Student_Statistics_Report.pdf

"Student Statistics Report: 2017 – 2018 SNAPSHOT OF FINDINGS Australia In 2018 3,822 students commenced studying medicine at an Australian medical school; 31 fewer than in 2017 (a 0.01% decrease). Medical student numbers are expected to remain stable in the coming years, with predictions that commencements for 2019 will be down slightly at 3,799. There were 40 fewer domestic commencing students in 2018. They comprise 83% of the cohort, of which 9.5% are full fee paying (up from 7.6% in 2017, 7.4% in 2016 and 7.2% in 2015). The proportion of international students grew slightly to 17% from 16.7% in 2017. The number of Commonwealth supported places (CSPs) dropped by just under 100, primarily within the non-bonded places. 26.5% of domestic medical students are in a bonded scheme (to work in areas of workforce shortage) which is up slightly from 25.1% last year. The gender balance remains slightly in favour of females for all entry schemes, at 53% of commencing medical students, marginally higher than 2017’s 51.9%. 3,475 medical students graduated from Australian medical schools in 2017, of which 87% were domestic graduates. The number of international graduates (45) was the lowest since this report started in 2010. 25.2% of 2017 Australian graduates were in bonded schemes. Australia is predicted to graduate approximately 3,609 students in 2018"

For those who feel there are too many foreign doctors the answer does not lie within admission criteria but is more due to the fact that us taxpayers want to get the cheap4est deal we can. We would rather cut spending on universities and import doctors and nurses whose education has been paid for by the taxpayers of another country.

SO No work for Whities, in their chosen profession.JUST Take a look at WHO is in the medical profession, or any hospital. Over 90% are NOT Anglo-Saxon, or even Australia.

 

My medical clinic, has No A-S doctors.

Space you observation that 90% of hospital staff are not anglo saxon does not ring true to me. I have spent a lot of time hanging around hospitals lately as my 91 father has had many health issues with operations and 2 falls this year. Yes, there are people from many cultures (which I see as a plus) but 90% is a bit of an exaggeration. The last time he was in hospital his doctor was a Japanese woman in her 50s, she was fantastic.

Space can you define foreigner for me? You keep using the term Anglo Saxon which makes me think you mean white. If my incredibly smart and dedicated music student does end up in medicine would you classify her as a foreign doctor? She does have black hair and Asian eyes and darker skin but also has an Australian accent and was born here. My point is that you cannot walk into a hospital and visually count the "foreigners" unless you perhaps class an Australian born Chinese person as a foreigner

"they don't meet the required standards" Australian standards were passed !."we recruit them from overseas already trained " Like Dr death.! ( and his ilk)

 

"they are TRAINED overseas" And do not show their Credentials on the wall like Aussie Dr's did. ( when we had an Australian Doctor, ( in the 80's))

 

spacesailor

Do you really believe what you are saying? Just for clarity you actually think that overseas trained doctors do not have to pass any exams? If I don't know something I research it or talk to someone one has experience in that field.

Medical Board of Australia - International medical graduates (IMGs)

Three of my Grand_daughters have passed their exams, but none have got in.One Daughter chiropractics manager.another works hospital administration,yet a third (of four) aged care worker. English sister-in-law Registered nurse, but has to be age-care worker.

 

SO No work for Whities, in their chosen profession.

 

JUST Take a look at WHO is in the medical profession, or any hospital. Over 90% are NOT Anglo-Saxon, or even Australia.

 

My medical clinic, has No A-S doctors.

 

spacesailor

Study - (PDF) ARE ASIANS OVER-REPRESENTED IN TRAINING IN THE HEALTH PROFESSIONS?

Space the fact that someone who passes an entrance exam does not mean they will be offered a position. There are rigorous interviews to determine suitability. My son's friend (who is Australian blowing your no job for whitey theory out of the water) finished his degree and got a job at a large hospital in NSW. He tells me that of the people who start training many drop out, either they decide it is not for them or they don't meet the required standards.

Yes there are many Asian doctors as well other nationalities. One reason Australia has many overseas Doctors is that we recruit them from overseas already trained, these doctors are not a valid example of our training system.

The fact that many Asian students go into medicine is because they also tend to do well in school and have parents who value education. As a music teacher, I have about 30 students around a 3rd of them are Asian and my top 4 students are Asian, this is purely because they come from families that value education and they are ambitious. Have a look at the students who top HSC or VCE.

One of my students wants to study medicine, she goes to a selective high school and is extremely bright and diligent and yes she is Asian or is she, I mean she looks Asian mmm but she is born in Australia.

Most of those foreign Doctors you see at your local health centre ARE NOT PRODUCTS OF OUR SYSTEM they are TRAINED overseas try asking them.

Bruce I am having trouble believing that non english speakers are given an easier run to get into a medical degree. I am wondering if this fact or myth. My son has a long time friend who is now a junior paediatric registrar at large hospital. I used to take him flying and he would entertain me with tales of medical school. He had many complaints but getting a harder run because he was anglo was not one of them.

The meaning of gay has been changing for longer than people think

The word may have started to acquire associations of immorality as early as the 14th century, but had certainly acquired them by the 17th.[2] By the late 17th century, it had acquired the specific meaning of "addicted to pleasures and dissipations",[11] an extension of its primary meaning of "carefree" implying "uninhibited by moral constraints". A gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man a womanizer, and a gay housea brothel.[2] The use of gay to mean "homosexual" was often an extension of its application to prostitution: a gay boy was a young man or boy serving male clients.[12]

Gay - Wikipedia

lji

OBJECTION !"and seem to on the surface accept gay/lesbian recruits"

 

The people of Lesbos Island, want their name back, they have taken it to the highest court, to no avail.

 

Are all males of that persuasion "Gay" . I thought the correct term Is homosexual.

 

They're so Not Gay, it could be all these names they get tagged with.

 

Just an observation

 

spacesailor

Language has and always will evolve, probably best to evolve with it. I suspect that this is the best way to spend your life being happy rather. than grumpy.

You have obviously never been in the armed forces, so your comments are way off, Trey Gowdy is spot on about the way the forces select people to serve(except in a ww11 scenario)and if his conservative views are narrow that's his right, from my observations of Australian selection they do admit people of both genders(woman/man)and seem to on the surface accept gay/lesbian recruits ,however they would probably be targeted/ridiculed/ by the forces in general,it has got better for those people but in my time if they were found out they did not stay in for long, there are ways to get them out ,they would have been targeted

I have served in the armed forces 1979-1990 RAA. I worked in a profession that was not open to females until I think 1982. What a fuss the crusty of conservatives made. It will never work they said, it will be bad for morale they said. With the benefit of time, we can now look back and poke fun at these dinosaurs. This is the problem with conservatism, it almost always looks foolish in retrospect. A colleague of mine from my RAAF days, who is now a high ranking officer is quite anti-woman, when I see him, as I still too from time to time he is quite open about his displeasure with working with women. I do like to remind him of the time in the early 80s when women were attempting to become airline pilots. He argued that women are not suitable and never will be due to biological differences. Time has proven this crusty old conservative to be wrong.

My sister attempted the join the RAAF and would have been the first female in (this field) in about 1981. She was turned down on spurious medical grounds only to apply to the army a year later (when progress had been made on these issues) she was accepted and by the way she was also in a same-sex relationship. My sister, never shy of complaining never complained about bullying or bad treatment because of her sexual orientation. It may be because she and I worked with intelligent educated people. I knew quite a few gay colleagues, it was probably not talked about but I think considered irrelevant. Of course in any group l opinion will vary. I did witness some bullying to the first female members (by a couple of morons) but it was short lived. The key was how well you could do your job.

There was a time when gays were banned from the military, "it will be a disaster" the crusty old conservatives cried. Progress led to the "don't ask don't tell" it will be a disaster they cried. Now we are at the stage where sexual orientation is becoming irrelevant (amongst most people) It is not much of a stretch to imagine that we are heading for a time when your gender will be totally irrelevant. An indeed we have already seen a senior army officer who is transgender and I imagine there are many others that we don't even know about.

The thing about ultra-conservatives is that time nearly always makes them look foolish.

Marty, practice makes perfect!

indeed it does

Spacey,You obviously don't move in the right circles. It's a term used by the Double Soy Latte crowd.

 

Conventional sex - Wikipedia

I was going to fill in spacesailor but I did not want to incriminate myself also I think I can hear Mrs Octave in the bedroom cracking the whip

"it's caused by humans and it will cause sea level rise."AND I thought it was the SUN !.

 

spacesailor

Maybe do some reading?

Phil amongst scientists it is not controversial.

Let us say that the science is incorrect then we have started a transition to other forms of power generation earlier than we could have. This, of course, comes with the costs we see now rather than experiencing these costs later. Now, if the science is correct then to wait until it is proven (proven is not a term a scientist would use) would be disastrous.

I take statins to lower my cholesterol because the majority of the evidence suggests that this will lower my risk of cardiovascular disease. There are of course a handful of researchers that think that cholesterol is not linked with CVD and or that statins may have deleterious health effects. Although I would prefer to believe that cholesterol does not play a role in CVD and I don't have to worry however I am not willing to cherry pick the small one or two studies that contradict the orthodox scientific position. I go with the vast number of studies that have been thoroughly peer-reviewed. I also balance the 2 scenarios in terms of possible outcomes.

Phil do you believe that a gradual but determined shift away from fossil fuels as WE ARE DOING NOW will be a disaster?

If I turn out to be wrong then perhaps future generations will look back and criticise us for misunderstanding that data but will, however, have all that unused coal and oil to do with as they please. If you are wrong the situation is much grimmer.

If someone presented me with a gun that had 3 rounds and 97 empty chambers and offered me $1000 to point it at myself and pull the trigger, I could think to myself the odds are fantastic a 97% chance of not harming myself and making a profit. Although the odds are good the possible consequences are catastrophic.

If evidence comes along to blow some or all of the theory out of the water we are still able to postpone the move away from fossil fuels (which is inevitable) If we just talk about it until it becomes obvious then it becomes too late and it will leave us with little or no choices.

In any case, what you or I believe does not make much difference, the transition is on, even CEOs of fossil fuel companies say that.

Can a driverless car get you to your shack in the scrub?

Now, no, not even close. In the future more than likely. It must have been difficult to observe the Wright brothers first powered flight and imagine where that would lead.

I was not joking.The liability issue must be resolved

Of course. This is being pondered and worked on. I suspect that driverless cars are some way off due to technological challenges and of course the legal implications. Many new technologies bring benefits as well as new problems. It is interesting to ponder what will happen when driverless cars attain a level of safety that exceeds manually driven cars. At this point perhaps we may find it too expensive and too legally risky to drive our own cars.

We have gone from walking everywhere to riding horses to travelling at 700 mph in an airliner which is partially controlled by computers. I think technology and legal/liability procedures will continue to progress.

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franking credits

Do you receive franking credits? Perhaps you could explain the details of franking credits and why you believe they are important?

Could terrorists hack them to cause mayhem as in London or Bourke St.?

Perhaps we should have stuck to horses and carts. Every new technology brings cost and benefits. Personally, I am glad to live in a time and place that affords me a life expectancy and level of personal safety that has never existed before.

Ah, but look at them now. Had a sensible, thoughtful leader from a scientific background since 2005. Proof positive that there's hope for any country if they can learn from the mistakes of the past.

It is a shame that we don't have any candidates like this

Former NASA astronaut Mark Kelly is running for the US Senate in Arizona

Kelly, who is also a former engineer, suggested that climate change will be one focus of his campaign, as warmer weather will lead to more droughts in Arizona. “We’ve seen this retreat from science and data and facts, and if we don’t take these issues seriously, we can’t solve these problems

Apparently, Australian are drinking much less alcohol than in the past. I definitely drink less than I used to. I share 1 or 2 bottles of wine a week with the wife (she is a keeper because she only likes a small glass). I also enjoy good quality craft beer (yes I am a pretentious wanker). When she and I go to a beer establishment we tend to get a tasting flight and spend a lot of time discussing the merits of the various offerings and then we may buy a schooner each of the one we like the best. The idea of drinking 8 pints of Fosters does not appeal at all. Craft beer at $15 a schooner is to be savoured and discussed not necked.

OK here is my take on this (for what it is worth)

Pell is definitely not a person I admire. Exhibit A George Pell: Ridsdale abuse 'wasn't of much interest to me'

The people who are expressing doubt are suggesting that the scenario presented seems unlikely. The points I have seen presented in defence are that it is the word of one person and a person who has since died who when asked by his mother said he had not been abused. My take is this

We know that it takes many years for people to admit that this has happened to them and that not immediately reporting abuse does not mean that it did not happen.

The suggestion that only a mad man would perform these acts in a location where they could be easily be discovered. An alternative interpretation could be that it would not be the end of the world if a colleague were to walk in.

Oh dear because of his robes. he could not get it out, What so he could not take a leak?

The complainant is lying. To what end? As far as I can tell there is not a claim for money from this person. In fact, according to the book by Louise Milligan, who interviewed this person extensively, they kept quiet about these events until the death of another victim. After this time they claim that they thought they owed it to the person who kept silent. It is possible that this person in the distant future may receive some compensation but this is a very long and arduous way to make some money. I am not sure I can believe that this man is a greedy villain.

Andrew Bolt, Miranda Divine and John Howard and a few others think that Pell is a great guy and they can't accept that he could have committed such an offence. Of course, we all believe that our friends and family are beyond reproach, it is human nature and understandable.

If we are ignoring the fact that the police, public prosecutor. judge and jury are convinced and we want to consider what is likely, we must look at whether or not there is a precedent for a Catholic clergyman to commit such an offence. I mean has this EVER happened before? Remember Pell accompanying Gerald Ridsdale to court?

Sea level data ALTERED by scientists to create false impression of rising oceans

Phil do you consider this site to be a source of reliable information?

The article states that NASA confirms sea levels are falling. This is what NASA does claim New Study Finds Sea Level Rise Accelerating (Feb 14 2018)

So how trustworthy is NaturalNewscom Natural News - Wikipedia well not very, it is known as a conspiracy site.

FACT CHECK: Does NASA Data Show That Global Warming Isn’t Causing a Sea Level Rise?

It is interesting to read a list of the "most viewed articles" on this site, here are just a few:

How the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact might unleash a violent civil war following the 2020 election… which is exactly what Democrats want

Florida now following California in forcing toxic, deadly vaccines onto millions of children

EMERGENCY REPORT: Signed Executive Orders reveal Trump is planning mass arrests, military tribunals for deep state traitors like Comey, Clinton and Obama – UPDATE

Vaccine debate makes more people question safety and effectiveness – so the industry has SHUT DOWN all discussion

3 Reasons to start your morning with a glass of cayenne pepper water

Elderberries are more effective than vaccines at protecting you against colds and flu

That old man river, " he must know something but he don't say nothing" deserves a visit from the grammar police.

Dropped words are very common in many dialects. My family and relatives were all born in Yorkshire. Some of my older relatives would say I'm going t shop.

But then as my 91-year father says

Yorkshire Born, Yorkshire Bred, Strong in't arm and weak in't head

Yes Greenspeed GT20sand I haven't so far managed to get the dog in the trailer to pedal.

I do remember going on a long ride and after a while, my 5-year-old son went quiet. We looked back to see that he had fallen asleep and restrained by his harness had slumped to one side his helmet almost touching the road. Other than that we had a great few years on that beast.

Pedal elect systems where you must pedal or the "assist" system cuts out are limited to 250 watts and 25kph"Throttle" systems where you do not need to pedal but can start and cruze completely on electric are limited to 200watts and 25kph. These are the rules in Victoria and I think the rest of Australia and quite a few other countries as well.

 

My wife and I each have pedal elect recumbent trikes with 250 watt motor and 36volt 15 amp hr batteries. I have done 120kms on one charge and still had life in the battery, and we both did last week 350 kms of Victorian rail trails.

 

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They look like Greenspeeds. Back in about the mid 90s we had Greenspeed build the first recumbent trike with pedal-powered trailer, a truly awesome machine

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