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the chosen replacement culture ,. . .are exempt from all this security Bollox of course,. . It's only us White indiginous folk who have to put up with it . . .until the Civil war of course,. .when Whitey has had enough of being a second class citizen in his own Country. . .. . .then things will Alter.. . .Very quickly and, regrettably. . .very violently. It now seems the only possible outcome. . ..

Why is it that you feel you are a second class citizen? Can you give examples of how you are a second class citizen? You and I live in the two of the wealthiest and safest countries in the world. We do not have to wonder if we can eat tomorrow. We live at a time when we are the least likely to meet a violent death. Our life expectancy has never been higher. Why is it that I feel secure, happy and fulfilled and safe and you feel that your life is so bad that some kind of armed conflict is likely in order to restore your lost rights?

And I vehemently disagree with you having been there Multliple times and seen the opposite story. One well documented sob story video, no matter how well edited does not change the facts on the ground octave,. . and I am surprised and disappointed that an outwardly intelligent man would believe that to be the case. . . The World Media is Filled with cases like the one you highlight, to feed their narrative, and yet rarely venture into the fray to back up nor Fact Check their stories nor tell things the way that they actually are.on a day to day basis ON SITE..

Most of what I have actually seen in Israel and Gaza on the ground over the last seven years, bears no relation to what you have posted. You are believing #Fake news,. . the thing you say that you hate. Just like the Fake news in Syria manufactured by the White Helmets moviemaking and proven terrorist group.

 

Get real or don't bother mate.

 

( No offence intended )

Phil, I will answer this later in detail. For the moment can I just say that no I am not offended although what you have said is certainly a personal attack. I am always very careful to debate ideas and not the people who hold those views.

I think the most strident thing I have said is that "however the state of Israel was created there is now fault on both sides". I assuming you feel this is false and that the fault is only on the Palestinian side.

Get real or don't bother mate.

Phil if you feel my postings are substandard, lack balance or are poorly researched then please feel free to put me on "ignore" This option is available to anyone on this forum.

How do YOU think that they ought to react ?

How would you react if someone took your house?

These issues are complicated. If you believe one side is good and one side is evil then I think you are incorrect.

If climate change is really happening, the price of food will be going up. ( Actually I reckon it is )Luckily for deniers, there are lots of other things to blame : The politicians, the Chinese, the environmentalists, excessive regulation, not enough regulation, and the local council. Other blameworthy lots can be added if you like.

I think a fundamental problem is that we have not evolved to notice long term changes. Our brains are good at identifying imminent threats but they are quite bad at noticing slow changes. Back in the day the hearing cracking sound of the branch we were sitting on or seeing the vague shape of a dangerous animal and we would act immediately. We now can measure small but significant changes in the composition of the atmosphere or changes in average temperature or even our own health. We know that certain diets or behaviours can cause us long term negative effects but still, a large proportion of society has a lot of trouble modifying their behaviour in order to avert future illness or early death.

The problem can be summed up as "we have an old brain which is not ideally suited to a new world".

The good news though is our new brain, if we use it wisely means we can measure things and we can extrapolate data to give us some idea of future consequences. We can take control of problems and innovate solutions. Many people can and do adopt healthier lifestyles. Some obese people do lose weight. Fewer people smoke now.

WELLI think if it's losing, A couple of cubic kilometres of Hydrogen & Helium,, compererd to a couple of cubit kilometres of space-dirt (shooting star-dust, it would be a BIG exchange,!.

 

spacesailor

You should pass on your high quality research to NASA although you may have to show your workings out!l

It's similar to the to the "Native title land acquisition"

Really, you are equating native title in Australia to the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza???? That might require more explanation.

I tried to read your links....So, nobody really knows the answer.

 

For all we know these mass change influences might be a bigger worry than anthropogenic climate change.

I think the answer is that it is either gaining a small amount or losing a small amount and therefore probably not worth lying awake at night worrying about.

"So it’s most likely that Earth is losing a bit of mass each year, but if the rate of meteors is on the higher end of estimates, then it could be gaining a bit of mass."

"The answer is we really don't know, but as we seem to have more accurate figures on mass loss than mass gain, it seems we can have more confidence that Earth has a net mass loss".

Through history the Jews have been killed by many different countries recent history should tell us this wrong,there has always been anti-Semitic people of all races through time ,so they have stood up to and defeated 6 to 1 arab countries, surrounded on all sides by hateful (mostly arab) counties yet you seem to think that they (Israelis) have no right to retaliate, yes they are backed by the US and. So my question is do you think that they should be exterminated ? as most arab countries want to, it mostly comes back to religion they say that the Jews killed that ficticiuos jesus and the whole world blames them for that Oh and I do support them in their claim to Israel

I find it hard to understand why you think it is fair to displace people from their homes no matter who lived there a thousand years ago. Would you happily give up your home for the descendant of a previous occupant? I bet you wouldn't

In spite of that, I think don't think we can even go back to before 1948, in other words, I accept the continued existence of Israel but not it's expansion or occupation of the west bank etc. these areas were not part of the original deal.

No, I obviously don't think that Isreal should be exterminated but at the very least they should honour the original deal which was a homeland for Palestinians and for Jewish people but through various conflicts and the encouragement of settlers this is being eroded.

For a brief history of the conflict

Your right ISRAEL didn't exist BUT it was the Jewish peoples homeland they were ther before Palestine was for thousands of years ,

Your right Australia didn't exist BUT it was the Aboriginal peoples homeland they were there before Australia was for thousands of years ,

I don't think you truly believe in the principal you are proclaiming.

The mass of the Earth is increasing, it may match the 12.5mm."( watch the night sky & see all those streaks of light "shooting-stars" Falling on to US).

 

spacesailor

It is an interesting question as to whether the Earth is gaining or losing mass. The increase in mass from meteorites is counteracted by two things radioactive decay ie mass becoming energy and also loss of hydrogen and other gasses from the atmosphere.

Is Earth Gaining Mass Or Losing Mass?

Is the Earth gaining or losing mass over time?

When the pla(a known terrorist organization )stops indiscriminte bombing of Israel there will be consequences for the Palestinian people stop the backing of pla Israel also have a right to live peacfully and we all know that the arab nations want Israel destroyed/annihilation has anyone here been in Israel when the rockets are landing its very scary (i was there a few years ago when this happened) it claims the lives of innocents,also what about the times when the arabs capture a Israeli they torture maim and then drag the body through the street's the arabs are dangerous fanatics abd that sort of behavior warrents swift and retaliatory action

I think there is plenty of fault on both sides. The idea we can divide everyone into good and evil is simplistic.

This is disgusting and the UN need to do something about the food shortages in the GAZA strip. . it's disgraceful. . .

https://www.google.com/sear...

Phil if you believe a google picture search provides evidence how life in Gaza is then I submit this google picture search life in gaza - Google Search

However, this is not how I prefer to have intelligent debates.

I support the Israelis

I support the right of people to live in safety with decent standards regardless of where they are born.

Interestingly most democratic country list correlates quite well with this list World Happiness Report - Wikipedia

In 1950, the world population was 2.6 billion.In 2019, it is 7.7 billion. This 7.7 billion is a lot more than the estimates for 2019 were some years ago.

 

Actually, I agree it probably will not exceed 10 billion, but not for the nice reasons put forward by well-meaning bleeding hearts.

What we do know is the percentage rate of population growth peaked in the 60s (a baby boom that I am part of) and is steadily decreasing. In terms of actual numbers of births - Total annual births were highest in the late 1980s at about 139 million,[8] and as of 2011 were expected to remain essentially constant at a level of 135 million,[9] while deaths numbered 56 million per year and were expected to increase to 80 million per year by 2040.[10] The median age of the world's population was estimated to be 30.4 years in 2018.[11]

Don't get me wrong there are way too many of us to live as we do however it is important to understand how population growth works and how it is growing. It is often said that we have exponential growth but we don't There is also a perception that the problem is the birth rate but without falling below replacement rate there is little we can do at that end of the equation. The total number of the population is determined by how many children are born and how long we live.

The global fertility rate has halved since 1950. In 1950 the rate was 5 children per women. in 50 years it has dropped to 2.5 children per woman. The problem is not really any longer at the source but those people from before the fertility rates dropped. If fertility rates don't increase the problem becomes life expectancy. If life expectancy stays the same it is predicted that the population will reach about 10 billion and remain stable in 50 years. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/sp.dyn.tfrt.in?end=2017&start=1960&view=chart

Here is a good explanation.

OK just to tie together a few different topics. . The thing that pisses me off about the conservatives is this, they are not at all interessted in preparing for the future. By way of an example consider electric vehicle policy The conservatives may have a policy on EVs in a year or so, Meanwhile almost every vehicle manufacturer has anounced their phase out of IC engines. Most of the larger cities in Europe have anounced in the near future a ban on IC engines. Norway has already reached the 50% of new registrations being EV (and the grid did not explode) and yet conservatives foolishly think we do not need a policy. Where will we buy IC piowered cars whan then rest of the world has moved on. I do not want to live iin a backwater because conservatives are sh1t scared of change.

Don't do it OK... we need more sensible lefties here, not less!!

My son moved to NZ 5 years ago and is about to become a NZ citizen. He keeps trying to convince us to move to NZ and I must admit the idea is becoming more and more appealing.

Guns are not the problem. In the USA the problem is Yanks. They are a stupid race, little education and little sense.

Every country has it's share of idiots but I prefer my local idiots to be unarmed.

There are 24 countries that emit 0.5-1.5% of the global co2 emmisions. This equals about 24% of global emmisions. Using the logic that our emmisions will not make any difference would surely apply to the other 23 countries with similar emmisions. 24% of co2 emmisions would fall into the category of we are too small to matter.

Our politics are being driven by a small number of highly vocal forsooth-sayers. The population of the Australian continent is 24.6 million with a population density of 3.26/ sq km. 5.75 million of us live in just two cities -Sydney and Melbourne. Compared to the Northern Hemisphere continents, Australia is still unoccupied. It would seem that a major source of human-produced carbon gases is metropolitan ground transport and electricity generation.

I posted this some time ago when we were talking about climate change. I shows atmospheric carbon gas levels over one 12 month period. The commentary mentions that the production of these gases from Australia is highest in our summer as a result of bushfires.

 

Would it be the case that the coal we export contributes to the northern hemisphere co2 emmisions?

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I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Spacey may have been slightly tongue-in-cheek.

Ah could be, I am of the opinion that we need a specific font for sarcarsm.

That is the definition of Conservative. To conserve the things as they are unless there is a persuasive argument for change.

When I was twenty my life worked pretty well but I am glad that I have gradually change the way I live my life. To get up every day and do the same thing is boring and unimaginative just because it worke in the past. If you do not try new things how do you know what you are doing is the best you can do?

The conservative view in the early days of the car was to yell at drivers - “Get a Horse!” greeted almost every automobile which appeared on the roads" Car History - Get a Horse! (Part 1: Early Skepticism)

What was the conservative veiw of woman being allowed to vote?

For many years conservatives told us that same sex marriage would be the end of society yet in 2017 it was finally allowed, is it a disaster for society, doenst look like it.

Early conservative attitudes to the aeroplane were not particularly positive. Being progressive means usually being vindicated by history whereas the passage of time usually makes coservatives look unenlighten and sometimes foolish.

Now only the crims have them, (other's have to hide their's away from the world), also the boys in Blue have them , ( so don't argue with the police )

"There are now more than 1 million registered guns in NSW, and 90,000 have been registered in the past two years alone, according to NSW Firearms Registry data released under freedom of information laws."

Sorry but I disagree, your statement is obviously incorrect which must be a little embarrasing for you.

Other than that you seem to suggest that we are negetaviely impacted because there are too few legal gun owners compared to criminals who possess guns. Which country would you prefer us to be like perhaps the US?

"You do undertstsnd that the budget is in deficit dont you????? This means it spends more than it gets."NOT according to Sco mo !.

 

Labor made ALL that dept, AND his government has made a surplus.

 

HE , doesn't lie. does he.

 

spacesailor

"The 2018 budget forecast a deficit of $18.2 billion. ... The 2017 budget forecast government spending to be in surplus in the 2020/21 fiscal year, while the 2018 budget forecast a surplus of $2.2 billion in2019/20. The government's debt level is forecast to be $629 billion in 2019/20."

Scott Morrison finally acknowledges budget remains in deficit as voters go to the polls

But we are not in surplus are we?

And if/when we are you do understand that surplus means you earn more than your operating expenses and after sevicing your debt interest you have some left over. You can have a surplus but still be in debt.

Space is there anything that you are not unhappy with?