octave

I installed the Billy Connolly version into my Tom Tom.Now when I try to set a destination all I get is "Fook orf"

A few years ago I bought a second-hand phone. It caused much hilarity when we discovered the voice was Ozzy Osbourne. Here is an example.

The trivial egging was not, the big item I took umbrage at.The media swamped the air waves with it,

 

AND

 

Totally Ignored the PLIGHT of maybe 1000 people killed in Africa. From the biggest typhoon that devastated three or four countries.

 

One town of 1/2 million people was totally wiped out. (death toll unknown).

 

( England is sending tents plus money for aid to the area).

 

Not on Australian horizen.

 

"BTW - Spacey, given the brute force they used on the boy, couldn't his reaction to try and hit them (to get them off him) also be a self-defence given the circumstances? "

 

My take IS, after the MP's slap,the young man threw a punch, only to get a punch returned post-hast !.

 

Check the video footage, I watched three, it was only seen in two of them, (maybe edited for effect).

 

Anyway, Even the N Z is NOT charging him (Aussy Terroriest) with Terrorism., therefor stopping his reading, of HIS rantings.

 

spacesailor

No, the media didn't ignore it. Just because you did not see it doesn't mean it wasn't reported perhaps you should try ABC or SBS

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/19/weather/cyclone-idai-mozambique-facts-intl/index.html

Cyclone Idai triggers 'massive disaster'

An aerial view of a neighbourhood destroyed by Cyclone Idai

Cyclone Idai tore a path of destruction through southern Africa

Of course, the terrorist attack in NZ made big news, many of us have family in NZ and it was carried at by one of us.

Only one charge of murder has been laid, this is usual before they investigate, it allows them to hold him in custody. If you are suggesting that this was not terrorism perhaps you should read his manifesto, it is available if you search for it.

My missus tells me Eggboy is a relative of David Koch.

So how does she know that and what makes that relevent to anything?

My understanding is that the police do not intend to pursue charges against egg boy. They are however interested in pursuing Niel Erikson one of the thugs that at least my opinion overstepped reasonable force. The fact that that he has an outstanding warrant probably does not help. Anyway this is a trivial issue, charge or dont charge who cares? There are much bigger issues. It matters liite to me who ausalted who. What is more interesting to me is how in 2019 we have people who identify themselves as white supremacists? Perhaps I have confused the title of the thread, I thought the terrorist act we were talking about occured in Christchurch not Australia.

OK I will play the Anning game. Why is it that Anning, a QLD senator is spending so much public money travelling to Vic, a state he does not represent?

Whilst it is not so clear whether Anning's reaction was proportional it seems pretty clear that his bogon army went way beyond the reasonble. I would suggest that if a the police were filmed performing an arrest in this manner they would certainly be investigated. One punch can kill and certainly that chokehold was extremly dangerous. I don't particlarly care whether egg boy is charged or not, it is just a distraction from much more serious problems.

There seems to a reluctance amongs some to accept the NZ event as terrorism.

Anning's statement suggest that this event was inevitable because of a growing fear in our society a fear and paranoia that they stoke. I am not fearful, Anning does not speak for me.

I don't think it's fair to draw a conclusion that Spacey is more concerned with Anning than the 50 people killed because he is drawing our attention to an apparent anomaly in due process and enforcement of the law. After all, does someone have to echo the sentiments that have already been epxressed to ensure they have requisite compassion for the real victims in this very sorry saga.

And I do agree with Spacey (although my sympathies towards Anning are somewhat dilute). Egg boy walked up and, seemily without direct provocation, smashed an egg on the head of Fraser Anning in what can only be construed a deliberate act. Therefore he seems to have had the necessary ingredients of a cime of battery (not aggravated, as an egg will not qualify as a weapon unless Aussie laws imply that particular egg was a weapon as it was carried with intent to commit a battery): intent and the actual act.

 

Given the public profile of events and the fact that a victim of crime doesn't have to "press charges" (an American concept - I have always wondered how murdered people press charges), I think it is incumbant on the law enforcement authorities to treat it as a criminal investigation and make public the outcome; after all, and I can't remember the lord justice that said it, but "justice must not only be done; it must be seen to be done".

 

Of course the outcome may be, "Yeah - he did, on the surface, commit a battery; it was a misdemeanour and as he has been perfectly behaved before now and ot was an elongated brain fart, we are letting him off with a warning, but have cautioned him that if he does the same again, then we will throw the book at him". It doesn't matter, but no-one is above the law (or shouldn't be) regardless of who they are or the policial motivation. Of course, Anning and his thugs should also be investigated for exceeding their licence of self defence and citizens arrest.

 

BTW - Spacey, given the brute force they used on the boy, couldn't his reaction to try and hit them (to get them off him) also be a self-defence given the circumstances?

The topic is Australian Terrorism which seems to have become secondary to minor events around this. Normally after a terrorist event, there would be many posters expressing outrage. The changing nature of terroism seems a worthy subject and although law and order issue re eggs and assault is interesting, perhaps it deserves its their own thread.

I also looked at the video, & if my EYE doesn't deceive me, After the first Blow to the young man, I see His Arm (with phone) coming up towards the speaker (MP), them the quick second Punch !.My Retaliatory question was Not answered.

 

If an Australian MP had egged a Muslim cleric, would the perpetrator get charged ?.

 

Double standards,

 

spacesailor

Anning could press charges if he wished. Anning was not injured. The citizen's arrest" was way over the top.

Why do you seem to have so much concern and sympathy over a man who may have been injured but wasn't' rather than for 50 people shot dead and as many more injured and some such as the 4-year old girl fighting for life? seems pretty callous to me.

I read it.But even tho I don't like it. .It's his "freedom of speech" that should be upheld.

 

And an "Armed person" going to do that Premeditated egg attack. Was not upset by the actual speech.

 

Otherwise he would Not have come Armed.

 

If I dislike what the Muslims teach. AM I allowed to throw things at their teachers .

 

spacesailor

I would be willing to bet that those words would cause so much more psychological injury to the friends and relatives of a 3-year-old murdered by this loser than the egg. I am not condoning it by any means but for goodness sake, he was not injured but people were killed. Using your "but other bad things happen all the time" argument. Most weeks some sports ball players will punch each other in the face, surely more dangerous than an egg.

By the way, my opinion of the reaction was this, the first slap was probably justified due to initial surprise but a punch in the face was not warranted. The pile on was not justified. The chokehold could easily have been fatal. The kick whilst he was held down was pathetic. If you feel this was a reasonable force then I seriously question your judgement. If the police had apprehended this person in this fashion I would think it would be investigated. However, whether anyone is charged or not is trivial compared to other events would you not agree?

Octave TRUEBUT in defense !

 

hundreds drowned in flash flood in a third wold country ( not a picture in the news).

 

Another shooting States side. No news.

 

Ongoing jumbo jet crash ongoing, without news.

 

And CARS kill Thousands yearly, (No talk of banning them)

 

But it was an Australian.

 

spacesailor

So we have multiple tragedies that don't make the paper, we have 50 men woman and children gunned down plus countless others injured and a man being egged and it seems you feel most outrage over egg boy.

Can I ask if you actually agree with Anning's press release? Have you read it?

What !."Coming Armed, & attacking" is a lesser crime than self-defense ?.

 

Only in a bias Australia.

 

He came to that public meeting, With Intent to commit a "Crime" against the speaker.

 

In another country he could, with certainly have been Shot dead.

 

spacesailor

The response was not proportional. But having said that at a time when 50 innocent people were shot dead and about the same number are injured some fighting for life it seems bizarre that so much airtime is devoted to this trivial egg based event. I have read Anning's statement re the Christchurch massacre and it is despicable and indefensible.

I also find it interesting that after past terrorist attacks there have been many angry posts condemning it, this thread seems to be more about what gun is suitable for what type of hunting and the finer points of egging,

NO STANDARDS,That young man "Physically Attacked" a person (don't care who),

 

AND

 

He's NOT being prosecuted !.

 

DOUBLE STANDARDS .

 

Are afoot here.

 

spacesailor

Is this the most dramatic thing that has happened in the last few days?

Octave, you are avoiding the fact that the average height of many tribes of Africans is greater than the average height of any asians, Cambodians included.Mind you, it is a real good point you made about how knowing about different racial characteristics is of no practical use. For example, you select a basketball team on their heights, not on their ethnicity. It is only afterwards somebody notices that they are mainly negros and no asians.

The reasons are many. Do Australians have natural ability when it comes or surfing or do they have more access to the beach? Of course differrent ethnicities may statisticsl tendencies to different physical charactoristics. It is not as if there are no tall asians or short africans. By the way do marathon runners need tp be tall?

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You only have to look at how big they are to see why asians are not as fast as negros. Don't tell me that size is determined by cultural stuff.As for typical Australians, how can you have such a person when they are so many born overseas?

So you reject the notion of a typical Australian because we are born in many places and I would agree. Asia covers many countries and cultures, it is very broad term which could include a Japanes business man or a Cambodian villager.

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You only have to look at how big they are to see why asians are not as fast as negros. Don't tell me that size is determined by cultural stuff.As for typical Australians, how can you have such a person when they are so many born overseas?

yeh octave have seen still don't know neil

Neil I don't even know what that means. Have seen what??? still, don't know what????

check your mouth the crap still spilling out neil

Neil why are your posts so angry and aggressive?. I assume you are unhappy and disappointed with your life. There are many people here I disagree with but most of us are dignified and intelligent enough to have robust but polite debate.

"Perhaps NZ should impose an Aussie ban "How would you get to see your son !.

 

I have friends there & prefer to host them to Sydney and see a Hot sunny day.

 

spacesailor

irony

I have a great affinity with NZ as my son lives Wellington and had just left Christchurch. I visit NZ regularly and find it a peaceful and relaxed place. Perhaps NZ should impose an Aussie ban akin to the Muslim ban. Of course, not all Aussies are terrorists but you can't tell which ones are. If you want to see crazy have a look at Fraser Anning's twitter feed. Jeez, I am sick of right wing morons.

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Take any stereotypical characteristic you like, and I do not fit that characteristic. I'm the most boring person you ever came across.Don't drink, don't smoke, don't have tattoos, haven't played sport since school, haven't been to a footy game this century, my only drugs are prescribed medications, celebate for more than 15 years. (too much information), haven't been to a cinema this century. Yes, I have attended a few concerts - Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac, John Fogarty, etc.

You are a typical Australian, by that I mean unpredictable and unique.

Since I accept that different groups have particular characteristics, I hereby bet that I will donate to Octave's choice of charity $50 every time a person of Chinese appearance ( Includes Japanese, Koreans etc ) wins the 100 metres gold medal at the Olympics.And I'm not a racist because my bike is too slow, I'm only a bit misogynistic and only a bit alcoholic.

I note that the Chinese excel at table tennis does this mean that they are genetically endowed in some way? A more rational explanation may be that the Chinese government funds certain sports due to some notion of national identity? Australia has traditionally done well in swimming. Is this because of some kind of genetic disposition, probably not. More likely to do with our climate combined with our beach loving culture as weoll as some past success. Does this mean that Asians are unsuited to swimming ..... unlikely?

No one has so far been prepared to give me a profile of the average Aussie male.

Just like someone saying "Bloody Aussies!"Which is a generalisation that suggests that the typical Aussie male can be expected to commit atrocities.

To be clear that statement from my son was ironic.

Since I accept that different groups have particular characteristics, I hereby bet that I will donate to Octave's choice of charity $50 every time a person of Chinese appearance ( Includes Japanese, Koreans etc ) wins the 100 metres gold medal at the Olympics.And I'm not a racist because my bike is too slow, I'm only a bit misogynistic and only a bit alcoholic.

What characteristics do ageing Aussie men have?

Whilst at the leading edge of performance it may be true that there may be no Asian Olympic medalists in running (and you know I am going to look it up) this does not mean that I would win a running race with 20 random Asians...... does it? it is said (but of course I need to check the facts) that men are better at maths than women. I haven't done formal maths since 1979 but my wife taught maths for several years. Draw your own conclusions as to which one of us an INTELLIGENT person would ask for help with a maths problem

" If we accept that different groups have particular characteristics, how do we use this information?

What stereotypes can we apply to Australian men?"

 

With regard to the first,

 

Why would one wish to use this information? To what end? These are esoteric questions. I don't understand how or why one would use stereotype information to relate to an individual, since generalisations, by their nature are not specific to individuals.

 

With regard to the second,

 

I have no interest in what stereotypes that may be applied to the 'average' Aussie males, or females, apart from having a laugh at the way that stereotypes don't seem to fit most of the people I know.

 

I'm sorry to hear your son has been having problems. We visited Christchurch before and after vthe quake.(if that's what you are referring to). NZ is a nice place. I deeply admire the work you do. Unfortunately I haven't a musical bone in my body (I'm a typical Aussie white middle aged, poorly educated male). Thank you for the debate.

 

Personally, I wait until an individual says or does something before I start making judgements. After that it's open slather.

Sorry been bit of a tough day in my usually easy life.

If there is no point in using a stereotype then perhaps there is no point in holding a stereotype. I guess this is my point. I am in no way suggesting you are. Nah my son left a day before, but when I enquired about the incident he said "bloody Aussies"

Well !,If Trump gets trumped, on that wall, he should Sack all the personal working there.

 

Lets see what happens when thousands of illegals Walk into the states,

 

How much money will be allocated to catch them After they're in.

 

spacesailor

There is no emergency but it is a good way to fire the anxious and poorly educated.

After the recession ended, Mexican border crossings stayed low; in 2017 alone, the population of Mexican-born immigrants in the U.S. dropped more than 300,000, according to an analysis of Census data by the Pew Charitable Trusts. “The sudden plunge,” Pew reported, “seems to be an acceleration of a long-term trend of native Mexicans returning to their homeland.”

Immigration crisis? The stats tell a different story

More than 60% of undocumented immigrants who arrived in the US in 2016 (the latest data available) overstayed their visas, not crossed the border illegally, according to a new report by Center for Migration Studies (CMS).

Most undocumented immigrants don’t cross the border illegally

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