octave

says a bloke that comes from a state that cant tell the difference between female and male human and believes the ABC neil

A soon as I looked at the "About us " page on their website and saw that the two main people are Cory Bernadi and Lyle Shelton, both right-wing religious nutters I felt less inclined to read any further (although I did read their policy page)

Hydrogen has been around forever and it is very expensive.

That depends on the power source for electrolysis. The Orkney Isle (famously windy) is generating around about 120% of its energy needs. This is not just an idea this hydrogen IS being used to heat houses and also create electricity and power the Islands ferries when they are in dock and there are plans to eventually replace the diesel-powered ferries with fuel cell powered ferries.

I made hydrogen and oxygen from a wind-generator and it would have taken 2 weeks worth to boil a cup of water. It would never have paid off the embedded energy in the wind-generator.

How did you use the hydrogen? did you burn it or did you create electricity from a hydrogen fuel cell?

The Orkney Isles produces enough hydrogen to power ships whilst and they are producing enough to power future fuel cell powered vessels.

The level of efficiency that you are able to get at home is not indicative of leading-edge technology and I am pretty sure you don't have a hydrogen fuel cell.

If they do not use excess wind and tidal energy for electrolysis what do you suggest they do with it?

BIG HIT Creates Exemplar ‘Hydrogen Islands’ Energy System for Orkney –

"The Orkney Islands have over 50 MW of installed wind, wave and tidal capacity generating over 46 GWhr per year of renewable power and has been a net exporter of electricity since 2013. Energy used to produce the hydrogen for BIG HIT is provided by the community-owned wind turbines on the islands of Shapinsay and Eday, two of the islands in the Orkney archipelago.

At present the Shapinsay and Eday wind turbines are often ‘curtailed’, losing on average more than 30% of their annual output, limited by grid capacity restrictions in Orkney. This wasted energy from the locally owned Shapinsay wind turbine will be used by the BIG HIT project to produce renewable hydrogen using a 1 MW PEM electrolyser supplied by ITM Power. Storing excess renewable energy as renewable hydrogen in this way increases the utilisation of the installed wind capacity without the need to reinforce the grid connection."

First ever hydrogen from tidal power produced in Orkney

"Using prototype tidal energy converters, the ITM Power electrolyser is able to split water into its constituent components of hydrogen and oxygen. According to EMEC, the 0.5MW ‘polymer electrolyte membrane’ (PEM) device is capable of producing up to 220kg of hydrogen gas (H2) every 24 hours, with the system also containing storage for up to 500kg."

Well so what

You want that go live there

Would love to visit but perhaps a little cold and windy for my liking.

what industry’s do they have

Farmings and fishing as it said in the article.

Neil, it used to get its electricity from the mainland which was costly and unreliable. I am not sure why you are so contemptuous of something that in this situation works, just fear of the new I would suggest.

German Pilot Solar Panel Recycling Plant A Success - Solar Quotes Blog

Every new industry develops, we do not necessarily start out with all the answers. Coal power stations produce coal ash (fly ash and bottom ash) as well as many other unpleasant and dangerous by-products. We know nuclear has its challenges re waste.

You seem so anti solar I would not be surprised if you went on a rant about the ISS (space station). They should get rid of those solar panels right, just burn coal eh?

I suspect that you are unhappy with progress in general.

suck it up princes OH BY THE WAY mark is back on the scene

 

some persons just hate that people get the winning vote and cannot understand the better team won some one has to come second that is LOSE neil

Yes the better team won in Victoria recently, but hey someone has to lose

I installed the Billy Connolly version into my Tom Tom.Now when I try to set a destination all I get is "Fook orf"

A few years ago I bought a second-hand phone. It caused much hilarity when we discovered the voice was Ozzy Osbourne. Here is an example.

The trivial egging was not, the big item I took umbrage at.The media swamped the air waves with it,

 

AND

 

Totally Ignored the PLIGHT of maybe 1000 people killed in Africa. From the biggest typhoon that devastated three or four countries.

 

One town of 1/2 million people was totally wiped out. (death toll unknown).

 

( England is sending tents plus money for aid to the area).

 

Not on Australian horizen.

 

"BTW - Spacey, given the brute force they used on the boy, couldn't his reaction to try and hit them (to get them off him) also be a self-defence given the circumstances? "

 

My take IS, after the MP's slap,the young man threw a punch, only to get a punch returned post-hast !.

 

Check the video footage, I watched three, it was only seen in two of them, (maybe edited for effect).

 

Anyway, Even the N Z is NOT charging him (Aussy Terroriest) with Terrorism., therefor stopping his reading, of HIS rantings.

 

spacesailor

No, the media didn't ignore it. Just because you did not see it doesn't mean it wasn't reported perhaps you should try ABC or SBS

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/19/weather/cyclone-idai-mozambique-facts-intl/index.html

Cyclone Idai triggers 'massive disaster'

An aerial view of a neighbourhood destroyed by Cyclone Idai

Cyclone Idai tore a path of destruction through southern Africa

Of course, the terrorist attack in NZ made big news, many of us have family in NZ and it was carried at by one of us.

Only one charge of murder has been laid, this is usual before they investigate, it allows them to hold him in custody. If you are suggesting that this was not terrorism perhaps you should read his manifesto, it is available if you search for it.

My missus tells me Eggboy is a relative of David Koch.

So how does she know that and what makes that relevent to anything?

My understanding is that the police do not intend to pursue charges against egg boy. They are however interested in pursuing Niel Erikson one of the thugs that at least my opinion overstepped reasonable force. The fact that that he has an outstanding warrant probably does not help. Anyway this is a trivial issue, charge or dont charge who cares? There are much bigger issues. It matters liite to me who ausalted who. What is more interesting to me is how in 2019 we have people who identify themselves as white supremacists? Perhaps I have confused the title of the thread, I thought the terrorist act we were talking about occured in Christchurch not Australia.

OK I will play the Anning game. Why is it that Anning, a QLD senator is spending so much public money travelling to Vic, a state he does not represent?

Whilst it is not so clear whether Anning's reaction was proportional it seems pretty clear that his bogon army went way beyond the reasonble. I would suggest that if a the police were filmed performing an arrest in this manner they would certainly be investigated. One punch can kill and certainly that chokehold was extremly dangerous. I don't particlarly care whether egg boy is charged or not, it is just a distraction from much more serious problems.

There seems to a reluctance amongs some to accept the NZ event as terrorism.

Anning's statement suggest that this event was inevitable because of a growing fear in our society a fear and paranoia that they stoke. I am not fearful, Anning does not speak for me.

I don't think it's fair to draw a conclusion that Spacey is more concerned with Anning than the 50 people killed because he is drawing our attention to an apparent anomaly in due process and enforcement of the law. After all, does someone have to echo the sentiments that have already been epxressed to ensure they have requisite compassion for the real victims in this very sorry saga.

And I do agree with Spacey (although my sympathies towards Anning are somewhat dilute). Egg boy walked up and, seemily without direct provocation, smashed an egg on the head of Fraser Anning in what can only be construed a deliberate act. Therefore he seems to have had the necessary ingredients of a cime of battery (not aggravated, as an egg will not qualify as a weapon unless Aussie laws imply that particular egg was a weapon as it was carried with intent to commit a battery): intent and the actual act.

 

Given the public profile of events and the fact that a victim of crime doesn't have to "press charges" (an American concept - I have always wondered how murdered people press charges), I think it is incumbant on the law enforcement authorities to treat it as a criminal investigation and make public the outcome; after all, and I can't remember the lord justice that said it, but "justice must not only be done; it must be seen to be done".

 

Of course the outcome may be, "Yeah - he did, on the surface, commit a battery; it was a misdemeanour and as he has been perfectly behaved before now and ot was an elongated brain fart, we are letting him off with a warning, but have cautioned him that if he does the same again, then we will throw the book at him". It doesn't matter, but no-one is above the law (or shouldn't be) regardless of who they are or the policial motivation. Of course, Anning and his thugs should also be investigated for exceeding their licence of self defence and citizens arrest.

 

BTW - Spacey, given the brute force they used on the boy, couldn't his reaction to try and hit them (to get them off him) also be a self-defence given the circumstances?

The topic is Australian Terrorism which seems to have become secondary to minor events around this. Normally after a terrorist event, there would be many posters expressing outrage. The changing nature of terroism seems a worthy subject and although law and order issue re eggs and assault is interesting, perhaps it deserves its their own thread.

I also looked at the video, & if my EYE doesn't deceive me, After the first Blow to the young man, I see His Arm (with phone) coming up towards the speaker (MP), them the quick second Punch !.My Retaliatory question was Not answered.

 

If an Australian MP had egged a Muslim cleric, would the perpetrator get charged ?.

 

Double standards,

 

spacesailor

Anning could press charges if he wished. Anning was not injured. The citizen's arrest" was way over the top.

Why do you seem to have so much concern and sympathy over a man who may have been injured but wasn't' rather than for 50 people shot dead and as many more injured and some such as the 4-year old girl fighting for life? seems pretty callous to me.

I read it.But even tho I don't like it. .It's his "freedom of speech" that should be upheld.

 

And an "Armed person" going to do that Premeditated egg attack. Was not upset by the actual speech.

 

Otherwise he would Not have come Armed.

 

If I dislike what the Muslims teach. AM I allowed to throw things at their teachers .

 

spacesailor

I would be willing to bet that those words would cause so much more psychological injury to the friends and relatives of a 3-year-old murdered by this loser than the egg. I am not condoning it by any means but for goodness sake, he was not injured but people were killed. Using your "but other bad things happen all the time" argument. Most weeks some sports ball players will punch each other in the face, surely more dangerous than an egg.

By the way, my opinion of the reaction was this, the first slap was probably justified due to initial surprise but a punch in the face was not warranted. The pile on was not justified. The chokehold could easily have been fatal. The kick whilst he was held down was pathetic. If you feel this was a reasonable force then I seriously question your judgement. If the police had apprehended this person in this fashion I would think it would be investigated. However, whether anyone is charged or not is trivial compared to other events would you not agree?

Octave TRUEBUT in defense !

 

hundreds drowned in flash flood in a third wold country ( not a picture in the news).

 

Another shooting States side. No news.

 

Ongoing jumbo jet crash ongoing, without news.

 

And CARS kill Thousands yearly, (No talk of banning them)

 

But it was an Australian.

 

spacesailor

So we have multiple tragedies that don't make the paper, we have 50 men woman and children gunned down plus countless others injured and a man being egged and it seems you feel most outrage over egg boy.

Can I ask if you actually agree with Anning's press release? Have you read it?

What !."Coming Armed, & attacking" is a lesser crime than self-defense ?.

 

Only in a bias Australia.

 

He came to that public meeting, With Intent to commit a "Crime" against the speaker.

 

In another country he could, with certainly have been Shot dead.

 

spacesailor

The response was not proportional. But having said that at a time when 50 innocent people were shot dead and about the same number are injured some fighting for life it seems bizarre that so much airtime is devoted to this trivial egg based event. I have read Anning's statement re the Christchurch massacre and it is despicable and indefensible.

I also find it interesting that after past terrorist attacks there have been many angry posts condemning it, this thread seems to be more about what gun is suitable for what type of hunting and the finer points of egging,

NO STANDARDS,That young man "Physically Attacked" a person (don't care who),

 

AND

 

He's NOT being prosecuted !.

 

DOUBLE STANDARDS .

 

Are afoot here.

 

spacesailor

Is this the most dramatic thing that has happened in the last few days?

Octave, you are avoiding the fact that the average height of many tribes of Africans is greater than the average height of any asians, Cambodians included.Mind you, it is a real good point you made about how knowing about different racial characteristics is of no practical use. For example, you select a basketball team on their heights, not on their ethnicity. It is only afterwards somebody notices that they are mainly negros and no asians.

The reasons are many. Do Australians have natural ability when it comes or surfing or do they have more access to the beach? Of course differrent ethnicities may statisticsl tendencies to different physical charactoristics. It is not as if there are no tall asians or short africans. By the way do marathon runners need tp be tall?

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You only have to look at how big they are to see why asians are not as fast as negros. Don't tell me that size is determined by cultural stuff.As for typical Australians, how can you have such a person when they are so many born overseas?

So you reject the notion of a typical Australian because we are born in many places and I would agree. Asia covers many countries and cultures, it is very broad term which could include a Japanes business man or a Cambodian villager.

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You only have to look at how big they are to see why asians are not as fast as negros. Don't tell me that size is determined by cultural stuff.As for typical Australians, how can you have such a person when they are so many born overseas?

yeh octave have seen still don't know neil

Neil I don't even know what that means. Have seen what??? still, don't know what????

check your mouth the crap still spilling out neil

Neil why are your posts so angry and aggressive?. I assume you are unhappy and disappointed with your life. There are many people here I disagree with but most of us are dignified and intelligent enough to have robust but polite debate.

"Perhaps NZ should impose an Aussie ban "How would you get to see your son !.

 

I have friends there & prefer to host them to Sydney and see a Hot sunny day.

 

spacesailor

irony

I have a great affinity with NZ as my son lives Wellington and had just left Christchurch. I visit NZ regularly and find it a peaceful and relaxed place. Perhaps NZ should impose an Aussie ban akin to the Muslim ban. Of course, not all Aussies are terrorists but you can't tell which ones are. If you want to see crazy have a look at Fraser Anning's twitter feed. Jeez, I am sick of right wing morons.

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Take any stereotypical characteristic you like, and I do not fit that characteristic. I'm the most boring person you ever came across.Don't drink, don't smoke, don't have tattoos, haven't played sport since school, haven't been to a footy game this century, my only drugs are prescribed medications, celebate for more than 15 years. (too much information), haven't been to a cinema this century. Yes, I have attended a few concerts - Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac, John Fogarty, etc.

You are a typical Australian, by that I mean unpredictable and unique.