octave

It is probably better if this debate is informed by actual facts.

From the Australian (hardly a left paper)

Nocookies

Lots of interesting FACTS here that I certainly wasn't aware of e.g. the percentage of refugees settled as a percentage of the migration program has consistently dropped from 1945 5.2% (of a total of 76500) down to 3.2% in 2015 (of a total 190 000) Whilst it is, of course, worth discussing the notion that we are being flooded by immigrants does not hold up to scrutiny.

We were told to expect bigger cyclones and more of them. hasn't happened yet.

In a Warming World, the Storms May Be Fewer But Stronger

Here you go Neil.

Bluescope Steel are not known to be a bunch of greenies, but even they can see the writing on the wall.

 

Australia's largest steelmaker Bluescope turns to solar

Also

Sanjeev Gupta: Coal power is no longer cheaper – and we'll prove it

Renewables will replace ageing coal plants at lowest cost, Aemo says

question how long will the solar panels last in years ?

Neil my personal experience relates to my stand-alone system which I installed in 1990 and sold the property last year with panels still performing well. My experience is similar to the information I have posted and linked to below, but don't take my word for it, do your own research.

"The majority of manufacturers offer the 25-year standard solar panel warranty, which means that power output should not be less than 80% of rated power after 25 years."

source The Real Lifespan of Solar Panels - Energy Informative

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at what stage will you replace the wind turbines ?

Here is an old one!

World’s oldest operating wind turbine turning 40

I believe the design life is 20-25 years

Here is the story of the decommissioning of a 20-year-old wind farm in Canada.

Decommissioning Canada’s oldest wind farm

the panels on my roof have a ten year life span so will have to renew them that is 12 new panels

Are your panels failing somehow? Has their output reduced and by how much?

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2009 I was paying 13 cents kwh coal today I am paying 36 cents kwh renewable

Nope. You seemed very keen to quote the ACCC report on power pricing before. 41% of the increase is network costs.

Renewables not to blame for rising power costs: ACCC boss

So according to my Christian friends God, who is perfect, made everything but somehow it became imperfect and the only option he had (because causing hideous suffering by drowning everything on earth) was to allow his son to be tortured and killed, so that HE could forgive the very people HE created seems pretty irrational to me. I would love a Christian, and I have asked many, to explain this to me and I have never had a reasonable explanation. I consider myself a good Dad a NOTHING would make me become so perverted and bloodthirsty as to allow any harm to happen to him. Sorry but god is the worst father ever.

I think the danger at the moment is the notion that if some news IS fake or more likely exaggerated, then why don't I just ignore ANYTHING that does not align with my beliefs and label it as fake news. To me, this is lame and unintelligent. Rather than proclaiming oooh there is so much fake news you can't believe anything perhaps people should get off your intellectual arses and do some actual fact-checking. I can not prove 100% that humans have landed on the moon but I can research multiple sources of quite reliable evidence therefore on balance I believe it to be true but of course, I am brave enough to accept new evidence to the contrary should it present itself. Phil, do you ever find yourself a little incredulous that all the fake news seems to be against things you politically agree with? The first thing I do when I read an article that seems to align with my beliefs is to look for evidence to disprove it.

As an exercise Phill perhaps you could consider this article Nigel Farage spread ‘fake news’. I know, because I took the real picture | Lasia Kretzel

Well, of course, it IS from the Guardian, perhaps we should see if it is reported anywhere else

Photographer reveals truth behind 'my legs are open for refugees' picture | Metro News

Farage tweets fake photo in attack on pro-refugee campaigners

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So as an INTELLIGENT consumer of news I would naturally look for evidence that he did not either fall for this deception or knowingly post false information to whip up the dull of intellect.

For hot water I went solar 20 years ago. Back then hot water was about 40% of our power bill. Not so nowadays.

But I am sure that you and I are not representative of the majority. Most people I ask are telling me that their bill is excessive. Then when I ask, they can't tell me how much power they actually use. So I get them to check. It's generally at least twice our household consumption. Some are more.

 

For instance, Many homes have one or two large screen TV's going all day and half the night. Likewise many people never turn the computer (s) off, ever. Most have two fridges and a freezer. Lights (although individually not big power), many people don't know that a light switch can be used turn a light off. So most of the house lights are on all day and most of the night. Air conditioning is automatic, so there's no need to turn it off, right? The pool pump is on a timer so it's only using off peak power. But these all add up to a wasteful power consumption habit that means that most consumers are using much more power than 20 or more years ago.

 

In the old days winter saw the highest daily state power usage. From memory, it was about 20 years ago we first logged more daily consumption (in Qld) in summer than winter. Aircon is the reason.

 

A situation worsened when I have observed homes (call me critical but I count the lights when I visit) that have a kilowatt of lighting on, during the day. That means that they are paying for another kilowatt of power for the aircon to counteract their lights before it starts cooling the house.

 

That's all about self control, smart home design, and a little daily forethought.

That reminds me of my dad when I was a kid. He would walk around the house switching lights off exclaiming (in his Yorkshire accent) "it's like Blackpool illuminations in here"

Neil you said this "notice you have gone away from wind and battery what the ACCC started you to look silly neil This made it seem like you HAD ALREADY READ or at least understood what it did say. Also Neil I have to ask why are all your posts about this so angry?

The issue is that you seem to think that Sims rules out renewables, he does not.

Sims does not rule out coal nor did I say he did and indeed the article I posted did not either. What he said was that we needed more competition. It neither endorses or rules out coal specifically. Some conservatives have claimed that this report proves that we need more coal power stations, it does not.

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Note where the biggest price rises are, network - poles and wires. In fact, Sims suggests that we have come to expect a level of reliability of supply that we are unwilling to pay for.

Sim's also said that the solar feed-in tariff is too generous.

If you really want to know what Sims says but don't want to read long reports (don't blame you) here is a link to Sim's address at the national press club, you can hear the words from the horse's mouth.

National Press Club: Rod Sims

As for the battery being next to a generator well yes it is next to Hornsdale wind farm. We have discussed this before, yes sometimes they charge from the network WHEN THE PRICE IS LOW and sell it back when the price is high. This makes great economic sense. Yep Musk can be a bit of a dick at times but we are talking about a product his factory produces not the man himself.

A month in, Tesla's SA battery is surpassing expectations

with respect octave the whole report is available on line read the report not the bloody paper don't tell me what some pissant reporter saysyes olk I have part read that report bit more to go neil

Neil nope not the words of a reporter but the words of Rod Simms the Competition Chief.

notice you have gone away from wind and battery what the ACCC started you to look silly neil

ACCC rejects coal-fired power support claims

It is wise to actually to read a full analysis of what the report says rather interpret it as saying what you wish it said.

They always blame the dog when it attacks, never that they were poking it with a stick for half an hour beforehand.

I have never used physical force against another adult or child, at least not since I was a child. I do nit believe in the notion veing provoked into physically harming someone.

so 650million for a solar shieeeet that may never work in south Australia bruce your power prices are going up again qld to get a coal fired power that's good cause is affordable 650 million should build a top off the range one and not have to replace the guts of it every 10 years and you will be able to sell more power to vic and nsw and sa neil

I think you have underestimated the cost of building a coal-fired power station

A new coal-fired power plant would cost $3 billion, drive up energy prices and take eight years to build

. Strategically, they are of no military value and would only alienate them more with the rest of the world

They could alienate the rest of the world unless they could convince the rest of the world that they did not do it. Convincing the rest of the world that the separatist did it would alienate them from the rest of the world - surely?

What would the Syrian government have to gain? Terrorizing the civilian population into losing the will to fight has been tried many times before for instance v1 and v2 bombs during WW2 were not designed to remove strategic targets but to convince the civilian population to give up. Assad, of course, would like to win the war and surely a frightened civilian population could work towards this end, I can't see my logic is flawed here but always willing to consider well-constructed argument.

Just curious as to who are the "can't trust the mainstream media" crowd that have such low standards when assessing nonmainstream media that you are referring to. In relation to the link I posted, we haven't heard from anyone else on the forum since posting, and I would certainly hope you are not referring to myself. If you re read my post you will see that I did write if the sources are right. I'm personally not that naive that I quote any news item, MSM or non MSM, as gospel.

I am being more general here. It has become quite common for people to post claims with the rider that "I read fact x, I don't know if it is true but this is what I read" This has become the hallmark of fake news. People like Alex Jones say they have heard about the paedophile pizza parlor and report it Conspiracy Theorist Alex Jones Apologizes For Promoting 'Pizzagate' his defence, "I only reported what others said" but of course there are now people who still believe it. Not accusing you of this but it is quite common.

In terms of quality of analysis, as an example read this article. Note how it rules out some evidence because it is not solid enough. Note how it is more analytical. Syria chemical attack: the evidence

I have argued this with a friend of mine and eventually, I realized that his logic was this - Some of the rebels are islamists therefore since Assad is against them then that is good. I do understand this somewhat, the enemy of my enemy is my friend etc. but for me, these issues are never that simple and I am unwilling to jump to conclusions to support my gut feeling.

Looks like another one coming if the sources are right.

White Helmets are helping Syrian militants prepare ‘false flag’ chemical attack – Idlib residents

 

The Russian intelligence was right about the last chemical incident, having warned about it for a couple of weeks prior to the incident. It will be interesting to see if they're right this time. A case of watch this space I guess.

I find it amusing that the "can't trust the mainstream media" crowd have such low standards when assessing nonmainstream media. This article is pretty vague and shoddy.

"The notorious White Helmets have brought chemicals, protective gear and cameras to militant-controlled Idlib in Syria, in an apparent preparation of yet another false-flag attack, locals told the Russian Reconciliation Center.

A convoy of six vehicles, bearing the emblems of the White Helmets, reportedly arrived in the capital of Idlib province over the weekend, the head of the Russian Reconciliation Center, major general Aleksey Tsygankov, told journalists on Wednesday."

The "notorious" (this is asserted without supplying any evidence). Then the detailed assertion is supported only by a quote by Major General Aleksey Tsygankov a Russian military officer, no hard evidence is a quoted or referred to. To take this a gospel is rather naive, it might be true but as a rational and intelligent person I ask myself is there any advantage in this person being less than truthful. He may be telling the truth or he may be lying, but again no evidence.

"One of the trucks was loaded with missiles and canisters containing unknown substances, as well as protective gear and filming equipment. Local residents reported seeing four persons, wearing hazmat protection gear, filling the warheads with this liquid and some unknown powder. The convoy then reportedly left for the small town of Maarat al-Numaan, south of the city of Idlib"

Whilst missiles, I suppose are likely to be loaded on the back of a truck, I am wondering how likely it would be for bystanders to see filming equipment which is likely to be gopro sized equipment. I would seem illogical to film "eyewitness" style footage of a "staged" attack" on professional large equipment, doesn't make sense to me. Why do this in such a way that there are so many witnesses (who decline to be named)

Finally, I feel that the pictures in this article are a bit misleading. To those who do not look deeper, these pictures may seem to support the assertions in the article but the first picture is a file picture and to be fair is acknowledged as such. I am quite familiar with the work of Hasam Katan and the second picture was first posted in 2015 and is titled as being rebels launching conventional shells against the Syrian army (according to the original title)

If this article is correct I would assume that such a staged attack will no longer take place being that the cat is out of the bag, pretty shoddy false flag operation really. Should such an attack actually occur I, being hopefully, being a rational and intelligent person would ask my self who would have a motive or something to gain? It would seem to me to be foolish to deny that now would be the perfect time for the Syrian government IF THEY WERE SO INCLINED to launch a chemical attack since it would be easy to say. "see we predicted this"

I totally understand that western governments do tell lies but to then assume that the Russian government does not tell lies is naive and stupid.

Whenever I read an article that supports what I tend to believe I am much more meticulous with my fact-checking.

octave I was there 1967 in uniform was you neil

Just for further clarification Neil, here is the headline of the ABC article I posted, it is also worth clicking on the link. Australia's largest battle in Vietnam is one you've probably never heard of

I would have assumed that you would be in full agreement with this article.

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phil Vietnam 68 battle of coral battle of balmoral more stories that arnt making the papers more killed and injured than long tan neil

It depends where you get your media from, perhaps you should watch ABC Australia's largest battle in Vietnam is one you've probably never heard of

This was the 60's. You ARE too young. Nev

I wish I felt too young!!!!!

Richmond. NSW. Perhaps you are too young.?Nev

I was based at Richmond from 1979 to 1990

Did you know a P. Frith or an O grady? Nev

mmm, don't think I do

Just sorting through old photos and feeling nostalgic. During my days as an Airforce musician, we used to perform on Lord Howe every few years.

On this trip when I managed to smuggle Mrs. Octave aboard.

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The runway at Lord Howe is quite short (about 880 metres from memory). we did sometimes have some interesting missed approaches

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Before landing, the crew would usually do a bit of a circuit of the island at low altitude and allow us to be unstrapped and crowd around the windows.

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On this occasion, after takeoff, they opened the back ramp and allowed us to stand on the back ramp for a great view of Balls Pyramid.

ahh good times

My sentiment. Should have been voluntary schooling not compulsory, then teachers would have to work harder to keep students in school.spacesailor

Actually, 'schooling" is not compulsory although education is. We did not send our son to school, also being a bit naughty we did not register as "home educators" (which is not quite legal) however now he is 28 years old and owns a successful company and is probably the happiest, smartest and well-adjusted person I know, I am guessing we are safe from prosecution now!

Oh man, just found this. AC/DC as you've never seen it before...

Ah yes I have seen this before as Mrs. Octave plays the Cello (well not so much lately but we are hoping to get the band back together) and people often send this clip to her. lot of fun though.