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37 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Bikes, like dogs, should be kept outside.

My two miniature Foxies would bite you on the ankle for suggesting that.

They are true inside dogs, only going out for bathroom duties or to chase wallabies.  (Or if no one is home).

They don't even have a kennel - nights are spent on the beds of random humans.  Sometimes one kid will have both dogs, sometimes they split up, occasionally no one wants them in bed so they're relegated to the couch in the lounge room (which, in winter when there's a fire in the woodheater most of the night, they're quite happy about!)

PS... in my early 20's, in my little 1 bedroom flat, I had not only the VFR750 parked in the loungeroom but also a hang glider.

4 hours ago, facthunter said:

I used to be surprised how some women flirt outrageously even thought their husbands are right there. As I get older  the less things people do surprises me. at all.   Nev

Maybe the husband likes it.

A mate once told me of a very attractive woman he met at a party, who after 10 minutes conversation invited him back to her place for a good time. 

He was keen as mustard,  until she said "you don't mind if my husband is in the room,  do you?"

He changed his mind very quickly. 

5 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

 

 but would be interesting to hear from a retired policeman.

 

 

Unless I'm much mistaken,  OME is a retired policeman.

Maybe not jail time but definitely banned from the platform(s) they posted on.

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

Go to the real experts - the victims and the grassroots organisations that have to deal with the frantic knock on the refuge door at 2:00 in the morning.

Again there's a conflation with the cause and the end result.  You're asking about causes.  The victims are suffering the end results and the grassroots organisations, which do a fantastic job on limited budget, know all about the effects of DV and how best to help victims after it happens, and about the DV itself - but they probably couldn't tell you what in the perpetrator's history turned them into the arsehole that belts their partner.

My point is that cause is a far more difficult thing to unravel so you need experts in the field(s).

RABBI TEARS may be caused by the high prices.

1 hour ago, red750 said:

I said that and was roundly admonished.

You recommended the death penalty.  "Draconian" doesn't have to mean killing people.

OME, the CAUSE can be varied and a starting list might be (note I am not a psychologist, behavioural therapist or any other "ist")

• Perpetrator is just a prick and always has been 
• Feelings of inadequacy - failing to live the life they think they deserve, so they lash out
• Brought up in a house where abuse was common - including beatings - so violence is normalised
• Brought up in a cultural or religious setting where violence against women is "allowable" if they go against the will of the male
• Low IQ 
• Lack of appropriate parental / "father figure" guidance in formative years
• Mental health issues - ADHD etc
• Sociopath

Note that several of those are also root causes of alcohol / drug abuse which I would consider another factor but not a cause.  You can have happy drunks/druggies that wouldn't hurt a fly.  The old saying is that alcohol just enhances whatever mood you start off in.  If you're happy to start, you'll probably be happy drunk - if you're aggro to start, you'll be drunk AND aggro which isn't good.

Also point out that the vast majority of people who have one or more of those causes never actually commit violence against anyone.

Life is not simple and there are no silver bullets.  The best any government can to is to get the experts involved and try to bring a wideranging and balanced set of solutions which MAY help bring down the rate of DV.

Cart before the horse OME. 

Substance abuse is a symptom,  not a cause. 

Lesley 3 - 0

Unfortunately I don't think they'd put him in general population.  He'd be in some white-collar resort if in fact it wasn't just "house arrest" (in which mansion?)

But yes the idea of Trump being shivved for mouthing off at Big Bubba is a pleasant daydream.

That's been around since Adam 1.0.

SHADY RUT (Thursday) and Consonant.  Yes less than 30 seconds (including the previous answer - I edited it because I originally said "A doesn't appear til THOUSAND" but then thought that in Australian English we say "One hundred AND one" (as opposed to US who drop the "and").  But the answer was always 0.

0?  Probably doesn't appear til you hit one hundred AND one.

Long way from this.

Mind you that was almost 30 years ago (1995 - 2002 was his Bond period).  He's 70 now.

Good luck finding something to read DVD's in the near future!

That's strange, I'm the opposite.  Sick of losing stuff when computer hardware fails and you've got it in the shop with some techo trying to extract your precious photos from the hard drive. 

Now everything goes to OneDrive and is available for all devices, very easy when you get a new PC to access all your stuff.

It's the eyes.

5 hours ago, old man emu said:

Reassessing the image of a woman with a cylindrical object in her mouth????

Who said anything about a mouth?

Mike Myers?

Their bartoms too, I bet.

1 hour ago, octave said:

AI Trump

 

The voice is spot on, but it's far too coherent to be believable!

Polyamory sounds far more natural than monogamy.  I mean, if you have more than one kid you don't love the subsequent ones any less, so it probably works like that for other types of love.

Any experience?

There's no silver bullet. 

Start with education.  Child care is not too early to start teaching kids not to hurt each other when they want something.  All through the education system there should be ethics and philosophy incorporated in the curriculum. In fact I'd go so far as to teach kids - all kids - martial arts, because of the emphasis on having respect for yourself and others.

Also reduce access to real violence online. 

If you're talking about current violence,  then we need to increase funding for shelters and support services,  so people experiencing violence can leave and not have to stay in the home because they have no funds to leave. 

Court ordered distance from the victim should be enforced by ankle bracelets.  We have GPS, AI and Google maps.  It can't be that hard to geofence areas the perpetrator is barred from and alert the nearest police station if the breach them.

These are just some ideas from one clueless bugger at midnight.  Surely if we prioritize this, get the right experts leading it and throw enough money at it to implement their recommendations, change will slowly happen.

4 hours ago, red750 said:

And here's another one that will bring heaps of criticism upon me.

 

Interesting.  So you have a pretty good idea that what you're about to say will be shot down.

If you could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that every person accused of premeditated murder (premeditated is implied in your statement "who murder their wives...") is guilty, without reason or extenuating circumstances (eg mercy killing, assisted suicide, years of physical/emotional/psychological abuse committed on them, etc), then go for it.

The simple fact is that you cannot.  Courts get it wrong all the time.  Juries get it wrong all the time.  People have been exonerated after spending 20 years in prison.  So they should just have been killed by the state... by ALL OF US... and we just shrug and say "Oops, sorry about that"?

It may surprise you to know that I fully support the police killing of a person who is threatening the life of someone else or the police themselves.  Classic case in point was the knife killer in Bondi Junction.  He had already killed a number of people and probably would have killed more if not shot by the police officer.  She should be given a medal, and more importantly lots of counselling, for doing her job exactly right and saving lives.

Your claim that the death penalty would act as a deterrent to the perpetrators of domestic violence is not valid.   There's a simple test.  You mentioned that some US states still have the death penalty (while some do not).  If you were to look at the murder rates by US state, and compare them to the states which have the death penalty, your deterrence claim should mean those states have a lower murder rate, no?

Let's find out.  Below are the figures from the CDC's (Center for Disease Control & Prevention) National Center for Health Statistics.  These are for the latest available year, 2021.

Beside them I have an indicator "Y" if that state has the death penalty.

Far from the death penalty leading to a lower homicide rate, it seems to be weighted the other way.  Obviously not much of a prevention.

Just to drill down those figures a bit.

- Of the top 25 states by homicide rate, 18 have the death penalty.

- Of the bottom 25 states by homicide rate, 9 have the death penalty.

Just for shits and giggles I also overlay the voting results of the 2020 presidential election.  *Just the overall state result, not by electorate.

Can you guess?

- Of the top 25 states by homicide rate, 14 were Republican (Trump) and 11 were Democrat (Biden).

- Of the bottom 25 states by homicide rate, 11 were Republican (Trump) and 14 were Democrat (Biden).

One more test.  How many of the 27 states which have the death penalty voted for Trump in 2020?

- 21.

So there you go.  The death penalty is not a deterrent.  Twice as many states in the top half by murder rate have the death penalty than the states in the bottom half.  And 21 of the 27 states with the death penalty voted for Trump.