coljones

"There should be a special place in hell for those disgusting humans who mould gullible peoples' mindsets"OK your above quote really is condemning all yanks. That is what the Yanks have been doing for many years. Just look back in history at how some of the wars started. Cuba was lies, The Phillipines was started by lies. Viet Nam another one.

 

They have never stopped lieing, in fact they openly expect all people to lie.

 

The next war will be founded on lies. North Korea is a rogue state they say. That is after USA has had 30000 troops lined up just below the 38th parallel pointing their weapons at the North Koreans. They are just behaving like the school bully, both at home individually and abroad collectively.

You forgot Hawaii, California, Texas, New Mexico and the way the locals were traded away in Louisiana and Alaska - just sayin'

 

 

Appears Ian's request has been ignored.Politics and Off Topic posts

This is the what's up Australia site where politics is mandatory!!!

 

 

Hinkley Point C will alone have 3,000,000 tonnes of concrete poured. There are two other facilities in that plant. Only need to find 5 more facilities and that's a lot of rather environmentally nasty concrete around at the same weight... But, this is a large facility, so assume 10 more facilities.. not hard to find within the tiny UK. Coal plants use less and Gas even less.. But concrete alone for these in Aus will easily exceed 20m tonnes.

Each generation source has their advantages and disadvantages and its about finding the right mix that maximises output/reliability v environmental and economic cost - the priority between economic and environmental cost seemingly tilting to the latter.

You are quoting some large numbers. Can you authenticate from a reputable source? One of the issues for nuclear was the vast amounts and greenhouse gases used in their construction. There are also issues in decommissioning. While the running costs are low the whole of life costs are high (together with health, safety and political costs which are very hard to cost)

 

 

You can find the odd doctor who does not accept the efficacy of vaccination but this does not change the weight of evidence.

You will also find the odd medico who cooks the books and providing skeptics with a straw to clutch despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

 

Old K"We could do the noble thing, as Germany has done, and open the flood gates."

 

Only if the let the brits back in, as they've stuffed their country with over the top immigration, & crazy laws to appease minority groups.

 

spacesailor

You're right - the bloody Normans and the rest of the royal family get the world handed to them on a platter!!

 

 

You're right in both cases, Marty. In other threads I've explained my 180 degree change of stance re asylum-seekers, although it pains me to agree with anything Hanson says.

We could do the noble thing, as Germany has done, and open the flood gates. How many of the millions of suffering people should we let in? What will be the impact on social cohesion of a massive influx of Moslems?

 

(Yes, I know that Australia has absorbed lots of different cultures in the past, but this time it's different- many in the second and subsequent generations have no desire to integrate with the mainstream and too many want to do us harm.

 

Strangely, the likes of Hanson might actually do more good for the climate debate than she intends. If we reduced immigration we'd cut this country's carbon footprint. Similarly, if Trump manages to lead the US (and the rest of us) over the economic abyss, it will do more to cut greenhouse gases than the Greenies could ever manage.

I'm not sure what the figures are but a very large user of electricity is aluminium smelting for export. Australia is, in effect, importing a large amount of pollution. A reduction in either the population or the rate of immigration will have little effect on that. Export of iron ore and coal to China, Japan and South Korea and the import to Australia of finished goods leaves the pollution problems offshore

 

 

I know some won't like this as it is from the ABC and supports statements from Barnaby Joyce. We don't have a trade deficit in food but do in groceries mainly made up of medicine, cosmetics, booze and soap (and toilet paper)

 

Fact check: Will Australia ever be the 'food bowl of Asia'?

 

 

Australia is now a net importer of food

An interesting quote - I would like to see an authoritative source.

 

Apart from my Asian condiments, all of my food is grown locally including my tofu and Chinese vegies.

 

 

snip, snip, snip

Pauline Hanson is the only politician I know of who has called for an inquiry into whether Islam is a religion (therefore able to claim tax-free status and gain government subsidies for its schools) -or a political movement dedicated to eventually taking control of every aspect of our lives.

 

This makes up for all her other silly ideas.

You could equally ask whether the other religions are religions or political movements dedicated to eventually taking control of every aspect of our lives - a lot of them have form

the days of truckies ( HC and MC ) doing huge hrs is long gone. Transport inspectors are all over it, logbooks are the first thing you pass out your window, any....any errors you make in them....you get slammed, big time. Yes.....you can "fiddle".....a bit, however being caught out, and you will be at some point, the consequences will seriously dent your hip pocket.Transport coppers, have in place methods to track your days,hrs, movements. They know to the hr, how long it takes from "A....to B "..( town to town, city to city ) they open your logbook, do some simple maths, check "their" data, if the 2 don't gel...........good luck

 

Already trialling electronic logging in heavy vehicles, it's tamper proof, they pull you up, plugin their computor, download content.........everything, everything shows up. Another method also being trialled.....is "tracking". Both these methods will eventually be mandatory.

 

A growing number of companies are running 2 drivers per truck, allows long distance movements. Insurance Co's now wipe their hands of you, if accidents can be attributed to fatigue caused by excessive hrs, and/or "fudged" log books.

 

Sadly........the "big transport" companies, are strangling owner drivers, forcing many to "contract driving" to the big players, on big players terms. It's that......or no work.

 

Big "receivers" of freight, engage the big transport companies..........more and more. Smaller operators, owner drivers etc, in the main, are loosing the battle, and it's bloody wrong.

 

Same thing when big retailer opens store in country locale......the long established "local store" is lucky to survive. "loyalty" towards the local store, slowly deminishes.....we go for the cheaper supplier.....it's only a matter of time.

 

Read recently....woolies, are keen to setup their own pharmacies in their stores, they'll find a way to do it. ( goodbye local pharmacies ).......what's next.

But it doesn't stop a poorly paid trucky doing extra work as a night filler at Colesworths, a barrowman at Sydney markets, a flying instructor in RAA or GA, pumping gas etc. None of these activities show up in a driver's logbook nor in an instructor's log book either. I hear what Geoff is saying but I don't for a second believe that the big end of town is out to do anyone any favours - despite any procedural fairness requirements in Corporation Law (and you will need very, very deep pockets to bring a case and even deeper pockets to win.)

 

 

What's this got to with flying?Can I suggest political stuff and particularly political stuff unrelated to flying be banned from the website.

Not at all!! The current behaviors of Governments, oppositions, politicians and the public service are all waymarkers to future behaviors. The attitude of the government to indi truck drivers might be an indication of their future attitude to the non corporate business end of aviation. This includes RA and the private end of GA where procedural and financial constraints may well bugger our access to our sport, jobs and pastimes.

 

In NSW the government decided that they would sacrifice cyclists at the behest of shock jocks and nanny staters. What next, banning ultra lights within 300 metres of any road or building because they make noise and might fall out of the sky?

 

Beware any politician doing a favour for you - there is usually a well hidden plan up their sleeves.

 

 

Instead, secondary industry has shifted to countries where the hi-vis/over-the-top safety requirements are a bit more relaxed and where common sense is still allowed to prevail.

And staff are expendable, and children are forced to work, where workers are locked in, where the hours of work usually exceed 60 per week, where annual holidays are about a week a year (at your expense), where workers comp doesn't exist, where the waterways, ground, air and food are polluted not only with the not so good stuff but the really really bad stuff and there is no tax paid (just bribes) in the source country and certainly not in Australia - basically where human life just doesn't matter and the unions have all been destroyed and the freedom fighters and the outspoken are doing slave labour in gaol.

 

 

Loyalty to a complete idiot is being totally disloyal to the electors, who voted for a variety of reasons and certainly not to the establishment of a dictatorship for 3 years.

 

Both Turnbull and Gillard were entitled to display their loyalty to the Australian people by ridding the highest elected office in the land of a person they perceived as a dud. Our democracy would not tolerate a one party state and should not have to tolerate a one person political party.

 

 

Not entirely correct...Its done like a patchwork quilt with each segment being connected and operational one at a time... ie they lay the fibre from one town to the next, then roll out the fibre round that town/area, then connect it to the www one town or area at a time

I said "the NBN also needs the support infrastructure in place well before the last customer is hooked up." LAST MEANS LAST but like all construction projects there is a lot you need to do BEFORE you put the front door on, part of which is the rest of the community and the road to the outside world not just to the next village.

 

 

In the USA they get to scrutinize their leaders quite a lot before the elections, we don't at all. Heck we often don't even get to elect them. The majority in recent years at least have turned out to have mental disorders and need professional help, not a leadership role. Why shouldn't a detailed psych evaluation be compulsory for this job?

Everyone is a little crazy - even your Brendan Nelson flirted with the ALP, wore a stud in his ear, was the president of a major trade union well noted for applying the blowtouch to the bellies of government that antagonise it or its members and now rides a Harley - none a good look for somebody supposedly of mental stability.

 

Oops, ALP flirters aren't too bad.

 

 

Phil everything you want to know about Turnbull is here.

A long history of attachment to the Labor party and strongly anti-Liberal. Even some communist sympathizing links. Some UK connections there also.

 

Former party leader Brendan Nelson in 2008: “Most of the people who supported him [in the Liberal party room ballot for the leadership] voted for him to get rid of him… If you had any idea of what he said to me over those 10 months [of Nelson’s leadership], you would be shocked... You need to look up narcissistic personality disorder. There’s about 5 per cent of the population who are born with narcissistic traits, and about 2 per cent have narcissism. He’s got narcissistic personality disorder. He says the most appalling things and can’t understand why people get upset. He has no empathy.”

Utter drivel.

 

 

Don't think you can hold that against him. The NBN was doomed the moment it started. It was always going to be behind time, over-budget and eventually to probably be superseded by other technology but we'll be stuck with it.

It's like most giant infra-structure projects - controlled by large numbers of divergent self-interest groups and modified a bit by each successive group who get a foothold.

 

The politicians ( including whoever was in charge when labour started it ) are always trying to please too many noisy self interested people.

 

But while it is running at the forefront ( which probably won't be long) it has already been researched to suggest we will have paid a couple of hundred billion for almost universally high speed porn and you tube videos. The claimed major uses that have been the justifiers for it can actually do what they need to do with lower speeds and less bandwidth. Even now youtube and porn counts for most australian bandwidth.

The NBN was all about equity of access. The old copper and caox systems are aging rapidly and need tobe replaced to sutain the sorts of speeds now being demanded. It appeared that Telstra, sick and tired of being screwed over as the only carrier obliged to provide infrastructure was unlikely to stump up the cash to upgrade the service to support the new speeds if bit players like optus were to come in and pay pay pitiful low ACCC mandated charges on the infrastructure that Telstra paid for. This maent that on thin routes such as country towns. villages and hamlets were never going to get adequate services unless they were propped up with government money - hence NBN. In a lot of areas the copper is failing. When it was just phones one could get inventive to re-use the capacity but eventually it has to be replaced and the obvious solution is fibre to the home and you need to do it street by street, not just house by house (and fix up the pipes, ducts and pits as you go). As with anything - like a new ship, an aircraft or a road you can't use it till it is complete. The NBN, like a fleet of ships or aircraft, gets rolled out a bit at a time but the upfront costs are huge, particularly for a complete new highly novel, properly engineered and complicated design - the NBN also needs the support infrastructure in place well before the last customer is hooked up.

 

 

The biggest threat to everyone is not the libs or labour its the extremes...greens and Barnardi etc PUP

Im all for environmental issues, but i hate when a bunch of anti everything extremists calls themselves greens and get huge votes from lots of people who dont even know or agree with 2/3rds of thier policies..

Don't presume that any voter supports more than just a few of any party's policies. This talk of an electoral mandate is a fraud, but they all do it.

 

 

the libs have slowly been swallowing up Nationals seats, the biggest threat to the Nationals will always be the Libs.

One would like to think so but in Qld with the merge of the Liberal Party and the National Party it has been back to the dark ages with the old country party, ghosts of Joh, being rampant.

 

 

The NSW Liberals approve so it must be OK - you don't go out and antagonise your financial supporters just for kicks. Keep Australia Beautiful (A CocaCola front) doesn't support it though.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-state-election-2015/nsw-premier-mike-baird-announces-2017-start-date-for-cash-for-cans-20150220-13k9gj.html

 

 

SORRY Guys 1)snop.. nip ..snip

 

For edumificating me briefly. . . re Australian Political structure.

 

Phil

Fil, you gotta keep wirking on yr speeling - it is spelt "edumikayshin"

 

 

Not quite correct---- Malcolm Turnbull is helping structure legislation to line his pockets, look how he wanted carbon trading just something else for him to buy and sell to make a profit.. At the moment he buys and sells money. Look out he will try and get his hands on water.Regards

 

KP.

authoritative source, please.

 

 

It has been reported that the Greens tree hugger Sarah Hanson Young has spend ONE MILLION dollars on travel. She makes Bishop look like a saint.

Authoritative source?

 

 

Col,Only if you don't own Telstra shares.

 

Most Super funds have them in their portfolio

 

PHIL.

We were talking about government surpluses and assets not private ones

 

 

the NBN should have been built by the local councils, 90% of it is going down their footpaths

have you checked the build quality and current condition of your footpath lately?