coljones

They'll always charge more for what they sell than what they buy.Last month I was charged $96.02 for the 143 kWh I bought from the grid, but only paid $25.30 for the 248 kWh I fed back into the grid.

You are buying retail and selling wholesale and then the power company has to load up what you have supplied and onsell it to, say, South Australia which, so we have been told, is incapable of producing it's own power (always cloudy and no wind)

 

 

Many would dispute this; some translations make it clear that it is the duty of every good Moslem to kill unbelievers and to spread the faith by any means.We're told that Moslems should follow the example of the Prophet; he is reputed to have inflicted some particularly nasty violence on anyone resisting his excesses.

Do you have an authoritative source?

 

 

What is wrong with the NBN. I got a phone call from my daughter yesterday to say her phone is going to be out of action for up to 4 weeks while they install NBN in Beechworth Victoria. What sort of a joke is that? At least I don't have a problem, when NBN got here I had to go to satellite and it is much better than the old land line, but still not fast.

Sounds like a beat up Yenn. You should ask your daughter for a quote from an authoritative source. Alan Jones, Ray Haddley and the local paper usually invent stories to suit there own agenda.

 

 

Geez ,10 you just move the decimal place. What's easier than that? Nev

Base 8 or 12, you just move the "decimal" point. In addition 12 can be divided by 2, 3, 4 or 6. Duodecimal - the English knew a thing or two about numbers.

 

 

Non inverter AC provides a fix heating or cooling by a fixed power with the compressor running at a fixed speed. The compressor has to start and stop when required. On the other hand inverter aircon have a controllable compressor that provides the exact amount of heating and cooling as needed.

 

Inverter Aircon VS Non Inverter Aircon - E Home Services

 

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Subsidies, blackouts and rising energy prices, but it isn't renewables who are the culprits - the story of aluminium smelting in Australia - The AIM Network

Octave, just to touch on one of your points,The cost of poles and wires and the grid.

 

Some 25 years ago I read a very detailed report about cost vs capital expenditures of the US electrical grid. (I tried to wade through the stats but got the executive summary).

 

Bearing in mind the capitalist model is all about the bottom line (ie profit), they conclude that a grid operating at optimum will provide power to consumers most of the time and that outages (blackouts) occur just below the consumer outrage level. If there are no blackouts, it shows that there is too much money being spent on infrastructure and maintenance.

 

Australins have been spoilt. They expect the power to always be available 100% of the time. Critics label this as "gold plating". I think it is actually providing an expected service to the public. Grid infrastructure cost started sharp rises when, apart from usual population growth, the public rushed out to buy air conditioners and lots of electrical toys for the home. No surprise that the power infrastructure had to grow to provide .

 

Everyone complains about the cost but ignore the simple fact that that all of us actually use heaps more electricity than ever before.

Heaps more peak power required with the arrival of air conditioners requiring fat networks to provide just for peaks! Aluminium refiners pay very low prices so they can be shut down when total demand approaches or exceeds supply - but they don't like it. Is the national party getting money from the refiners?

 

 

I understand the Tomago smelter is 16% of the NSW electricity total. It could be 6% (i'm not sure) but in any case it's a much out of proportion user (as they all are). The rate they pay/paid in Victoria was NEVER declared. I think we need steel aluminium and magnesium locally produced Copper is also refined electrolitically. We only have 3 weeks supply of Hydrocarbon fuel before it's exhausted. That's a slight bit of negligence of security priorities in a country where most supermarket stuff travels thousands of kilometers. Nev

But we probably shouldn't produce any more finished metals than we need.

 

Currentrent modelling suggests that we are exporting highly subsidised energy packed in aluminium and importing pollution that would be produced overseas if they did their own aluminium smelting.

 

I have seen suggestions that the subsidies to aluminium is higher than $150,000 per person employed in the smelting industry. It would be cheaper to have these employees on the dole being paid the full time Australian average weekly earnings.

 

 

Talking about "landline,broard band"A local rag reported, "A welsh village, Michaeston Y Fedw, Have put their OWN optical cables in & connected to NGD facility to get broad-band at 940 mbps ".

 

That's the way to go !, cut out the expensive ISP ripoff merchants and do it your self, at 30 pound a month,

 

I know BT, & aussies Telstra, won't try to match that, even at twice the price.

 

spacesailor

I'd like to see the model. Was it designed and installed in a professional manner or was it strung among the trees. In my youth I suspected some of the energy retailers planted trees, waited til they were big enough and then strung the power lines - they were rough. The original Optus Cable was strung along the power poles using substandard equipment. They were so bad that Optus stole the Telstra phone lines to provide Optus broadband (or was that to hijack the ADSL capacity to block Telstra). NBN has refused to use the Optus Cable despite having paid dearly for it. A properly engineered and installed system isn't cheap.

 

 

Behind the baseload, un-interuptible power argument is the seldom revealed need to supply massive amounts of energy to the aluminium industry. The electricity provided is very cheap and is a electricity consumer donation straight to the pockets of the aluminium smelters. Australia refused to prop up the aviation industry, the motor vehicle industry, the agriculture industry but we do prop up the aluminium smelters exporting energy by way of processed aluminium with a high effective subsidy and effectively importing other countries pollution (because we refuse to export the pollution along with the aluminium)

 

Closure: time to shutthe smelter with a $4 billion subsidy habit

 

Subsidies, blackouts and rising energy prices, but it isn't renewables who are the culprits - the story of aluminium smelting in Australia - The AIM Network

 

 

Four decades and four years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new measurement system, conceived in Lyons, and dedicated to the proposition that all measurements are can be expresses in Base 10.

The time has come to finally put aside the uncertain definitions of volumes, lengths and times based on uncoordinated reference standards. From these early years of the 21st Century, while keeping the quaint names our glorious language provides, we must express these definition in terms of a standard defined in terms of invariant constants of nature:

 

1. Metre - the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299792458 second.

 

2. Kilogram - the mass of 1 dm^3 of water under atmospheric pressure and at the temperature of its maximum density, which is approximately 4 °C

 

There has been some work carried out to accurately define the volumes in metric term of some terms such as:

 

Tad = 1/4 teaspoon = 1.25ml

 

Dash = 1/8 teaspoon = 0.625ml

 

Pinch = 1/16 teaspoon = 0.3125ml

 

Smidgen* = 1/32 teaspoon = 0.15625ml

 

Drop = 1/64 teaspoon = 0.078125ml

 

However there is work to be done in defining the metric equivalents of these measurement terms:

 

1. A poofteenth

 

2. A bee's dick

 

3. A hair

 

4. A gnat's nut

 

5. A coat of varnish.

 

Please help us to identify, name and quantify the ancient names for daily measurements so that they can be metricated for future generations.

Ahhh! Fooey!!! Base 10 was invented by those who could only count by fingers not by brains. Base12 and base20 are much more flexible. Have you ever tried to separate 10 into piles of 3, 4 or 6?

 

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5977095/why-we-should-switch-to-a-base-12-counting-system?IR=T

 

 

I know of a few reputable Financial Planners, but the industry attracted crooks like sharks to a whale carcass. Wherever there's lots of money there is corruption, with lots of "donations" to keep political parties sweet.No wonder the Guvmint resisted calls for a Royal Commission into the financial service industry. Every time they've set one up it bites them.

The fees for the big end of town funds are extortionate - lots of these fees find their way to the LNP. The fees for industry funds are much lower and less finds its way to unions thus reducing union fees. (and even less to the ALP)

 

 

Those of us who did choose to save for our future have not been well rewarded.I worked during the sixties and also seventies. I saved and bought a house. In those days mortgage rates were up to 16% and inflation was running at 10% p.a.

 

I managed to buy my home and tuck a bit away for the future. Listening to the government I bought Telstra and Commonwealth bank shares. I cannot complain about how they have done in the past, but the future is not looking too rosy. If I sold them now they would bring in a lot less than a few years ago, but that would be due to government mismanagement of banking and communications.

 

Now the money I have in super is not earning anything like it used to and the financial advisers are taking their cut all the time. My financial adviser sent me some papers to sign a few months ago, basicly to appoint him as my adviser. My wife wonders why I have just ignored them. He was the bloke who told me that when the construction of the Curtis Island gas plants finished, it would not affect Gladstones economy. Now Gladstone has the cheapest rent of any city or town of more than about 10,000 people and house prices are about 60% of two years ago. Some financial genius that one.

move your super to an industry fund!!!

 

 

The People who don't like it can leave & leave their contributions behind. I know four families that have emigrated overseas,(Canada)No one left to claim anything.

 

The dead don't get anything out of their contributions either.

 

"The good side is that people who never developed the habit of saving have been forced to do some saving.

 

A life time of super for ten years pension.

 

spacesailor

When a condition of release, age or death, is reached then the funds can be drawn down irrespective of where you live. Dormant accounts may be transferred to the government but still accrue income without some of the extortionate fees charged by some funds. The contributer, dependants or the estate are entitled to make a claim on the fund following meeting a condition of release even if the funds are held by the government. If your Canadian friends have met a condition of release they can recover their funds.

 

 

The super funds are living high, with all the money that is forced into super. The funds have to produce a profit to pay out in the end, but the incoming money is so much that they can afford to pay themselves magnificent salaries and not have to worry too much about looking after the people who will need retirement funds.

Some super companies are living high on the hog, these companies have high fees and lower returns to the contributors. The Industry, not-for-profit and company funds operate from a much lower fee base and the returns to the contributors is, generally, much higher. The problem for the Productivity Commission and the Liberal Party is that the really efficient funds are those associated with unions. A further problem for the Liberals is that if the inefficient for-profit funds are forced away from the trough then kickbacks and contributions to the Liberal and National Parties will fall. This is, probably, the reason that the Productivity Commission failed to nominate the innefficient funds. As the Banking Royal Commission proceeds it would appear that the biggest contributors to the LNP will start to be revealed as the Mafia it is (but without the machine guns)

 

 

Sometimes you have to take a stand! Do you let the Nazi and Japanese off the hook, just because they are soldiers. Do we forgive Lt. Caley for his efforts in Vietnam? Being a soldier is bad enough but coming home under a shadow of coverup only makes it worse. We should be honest with our soldiers and praise them when they have done good but submit them to the courts when they are alleged to have done bad things. 1066? Wasn't there but undoubtedly that invasion and that of the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Romans would probably count as illegal and the behaviour of the invaders be dubbed as war crimes.

 

 

Note that media generally, as part of their 'dumbing down' policy, seem to avoid giving air to the benefits of Australian Owned businesses. Sometimes they spruik 'Made In Australia', but if the business happens to be Foreign owned (USA is foreign, too), then most of the profits are spirited away with little if any benefit to our economy. It doesn't take much research to find that a lot of brands that we all assumed to be Aussie are in fact foreign owned. That kind of globalisation doesn't benefit us at all. For instance, I always thought John Holland was Aussie, but it's apparently owned by China Communication Corp (is that government owned?) And they, along with a USA Halliburton mob, own most of the Ghan Railway. Is there a connection with Chinese wanting to buy Darwin harbour?

The owner of the business might get to pocket some profit (unless they do some trick accounting, like borrowing money from themselves at eyewatering, but tax deductible interest rates) but for Australian companies quite a lot of the income from sales is retained in Australia as wages, accountants and lawyers fees and various taxes, charges, licence fees etc. Where Australia loses is if the owner shuts up shop moving manufacturing offshore and just running an import market, a bit like GMH and Ford. Offshoring is most attractive if you can push your sales through a tax haven so they don't even pay tax anywhere.

 

 

Just think about the wars in our history and there was not one where it was a good idea to be involved.What was there in it for Australia to be part of the Boer War? And WW1 was worse. In WW2 it was we who declared war on Japan, not the other way around.

 

If Turnbull etc make us part of some anti-chinese thing, they are worse than stupid.

 

Who thinks badly of Sweden or Switzerland for being neutral in WW2 against the nazis? Well I do just a bit, but my opinion isn't taken much notice of in Canberra.

"In WW2 it was we who declared war on Japan, not the other way around"? Would you like to expand on this and validate - taking in to account historical Japanese aggression against Koreans, Manchurian, Chinese and Taiwanese people.

 

 

I hope you meant "demagogues"... I can't think of anyone in parliament who deserves demigod status.

I tried "demagogues" first and then thought that the way they act their ardent supporters might consider them as "demigods"

 

 

More correctly Marty, you're voting for an individual to become your local representative. If that candidate belongs to, and runs under the banner of a party, then by default you are voting for that party. If you vote for an independent you are not casting a defacto vote for a party.

The original intent of our system might have been good, but the constitution is thin on detail and a lot of our politics operate on convention. Unfortunately, the convention now is that party politics have hi-jacked the original show. Democracy as we know it, is failing us. That shows up in opinion polls of the younger generations who don't rate democracy as high as my generation does. Every three years, us plebs get to vote for hopefully the best of a bad bunch of local candidates. And then that's it for another three years. During that three years, a bunch of overpaid dead heads run amok with our country, and at the end of it we get to vote in another bunch of inept clowns. It's pathetic really. If that's democracy, it could sure do with a bit of tweaking.

We originally had the "Protectionists" vs "The Free Traders". Politics is a fair representation of our population - full of well meaning idiots, fair minded people, scum, scoundrels, self serving demigods and absolute turds. And they come on all shapes and sizes, all political hues and all sexes. WA Liberals seem to have covered all bases despite their size.

 

 

How so, Col? On-road fuel is taxed to pay for roadworks. Why should fuel that is not used on road be so taxed?

It is all in the nomenclature. Roads are paid for out of consolidated revenue. All governments have been tricky about what pays for what.

 

 

I'm no friend of the Coal Industry but the diesel rebate is only In respect of OFF road use. Farmers get it too but IF you are not ON the road why should you pay a tax for use of roads? Nev

That doesn't stop it being a subsidy.

 

 

bullsssss why in the hell is it abbots fault you brain dead idiots are being missled the blame is on the sheep that are that following gore and co baaa baaaa baaaaindia building coal power for our coal

 

sounds like some of the so called educated person need a realty check transition to what higher bills that bubble is about to burst

 

oh by the way what firm is trying to buy a small coal power station in nsw to get enough power to run the company

 

your solar is the same as bloke using a battery powered angle grinder to cut a railway line or your electric powered car to pull a 30 ft caravan

 

why don't you look at electric power energy data dash board or is that to hard neil

NSW power station - Canavan and Alinta are up to no good. It may well be that Alinta is after a guaranteed share of the NSW market and the NSW guaranteed prices. Or they are after a dead duck power station at a dead duck price and probably demand huge subsidies to keep it on line.

 

 

ten years ago peak was 15 CENTS kwh off peak 12 CENTS kwh today peak 39 CENTS kwh off peak 34 CENTS kwh my feed in to grid tariff 71 CENTS kwh thank you very mutch rudd gillard clowns neil

What has been the change in CPI during that period? Private enterprise now owns or controls the majority of energy in Australia and they are earning a profit. Rudd, Gillard etc had nothing to do with the current prices. Besides Rudd and Gillard provided an offset, a refund of the carbon tax, that enabled people to realise the true costs of energy and either pay more or have a case of beer - their choice!!

 

PS tried to buy a house recently or paid a mortgage or bought some fruit or lamb?

 

 

There are a range of technical and financial variables in the equations for energy generation, storage and despatch. The base generator price of energy is about $63/MWh, during the evening it is about $145/MWh. If there were spare capacity off peak then this could be stored and sold during peak demand. If you had market strength you could demand time of day pricing. The spare capacity is from the sun shining, the wind blowing, the rivers running, any redundant and spare capacity. The incentives are the usual financial ones - you've been paid for your capital, which you usually get out of your daytime and peak demand customers, your operational costs, the costs of inputs and the money you will make selling power back into the grid at the highest price you can get for it. It is becoming evident that the operational costs of renewables is matching or bettering the costs of coal. Will renewables ever replace coal? Hard to tell but with smarts you can minimise the use of coal. What happened in SA, Alinta discovered that coal was unprofitable. What happened to the gas generator - private enterprise couldn't be depended upon to get it back on line. Why did NSW set up the Electricity Commission? Because private enterprise couldn't be trusted not to plunge NSW into blackouts. How have things changed? If you remove the gold plating from the network we might go back to blackouts. Why change the system? Never get between a politician or lawyers and a bucket of cash.