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Yes they did, it was in the Governor General's speech at the Opening of the 44th Parliament - perhaps not as simply put as you might want, but there nevertheless The Governor General's speech is on Page 17 http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/chamber/hansardr/bd34d03c-cbbe-4b65-a047-0a02e9793b9b/toc_pdf/House%20of%20Representatives_2013_11_12_2088_Official.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf#search=%22chamber/hansardr/bd34d03c-cbbe-4b65-a047-0a02e9793b9b/0001%22

You go and have a good cry while I see what a Productivity Commission is Nev The Labor machine is in full swing now in all its inglory.

For you and Win: There are 150 Members of the House of Representatives, and 75 Senators; they run the country, not Julia Gillard, not Tony Abbott, and particularly not this "big end of town" you've invented. Many of the people there on opposite side of the Parliament are best friends, most of them work happily together in bipartisan committees for the good of Australian, and much of our legislation comes out of those committees. The strength of the Westminster system is that the duty of the Opposition is to try to tear down, and find fault with the proposal of the Government. That's why there is a pathway through both houses which includes Second Readings. In most cases the finished legislation incorporates ideas from both sides. You seem to be suggesting that Julia Gillard gets up one morning, yawns and says "Think I'll improve public education", or Tony Abbott says: "Hello? "Oh yes Rupert, how are you tonight? "you want lower wages, and less tax for you? "Sure, I'll get right on it" Last I heard they aren't dictators, and that sort of thinking is an insult to the 225 people, their staff, department personnel who run massive consulting surveys and draft the legislation, and those of us reading a thread on Illegal Immigrants.

Creative in this case stands for fabricated rubbish

So explain it for us Teckair, what is the science behind your position, and make it very simple, for we are the gullibles................

Yes, but they aren't written by Jeremy Clarkson are they?

It's more up to date than Ezekiel's old stories, and in many cases coming from eye witnesses themselves. Sociology students would drool to crack on to this part fact, part fiction, menage.

There's always someone who can't handle a discussion, but can't take their eyes off the thread, so they try to ruin it for everyone else.

It all sounds macho to defend yourself - not so easy in reality. A few years ago a person who became known as Mad Max was disturbed apparently during a burglary by police. He took off in his car and several carloads of police joined chase. when they managed to stop him he fired 8 shots and seven went into police. He then escaped into our neighbourhood, was seen in our street and police raided three houses which backed on to our property. On coming home from work each night the first thing I did was enter the house with a centrefire rifle designed for open country. The first night I flung the front door open and covered the hallway OK, which had a door each side. When I stepped in and looked into the lounge room I realised I could be shot in the back from the office. It was the same everywhere there were two doors, and I realised it was harder to be a Rambo than to dream of being one, but the cops couldn't clear every house, each night he could have been in ours,so one of us had to take the risk, and by the end of the week I'd refined my techniques, but realistically would have been no match for Max.

I would consider that my wife shooting me because I missed the front door lock and rattled the keys when I got home in the dark from the trip a day early, or if I left a loaded gun on the table, meaning to put it away, when the phone rang and the next thing I heard was a loud bang and my three year old son was dead on the floor as reasonably sound reasons. You can easily check the historic record. If you don't know what equal force is you should lock your firearms away before studying it, because it's very easy to be charged with murder. In very simple terms, not necessarily the exact legal definition, if someone enters your property you can tell them to get out. If they yell back at you, you can yell at them. If they continue, and push you, you can push them to defend yourself If they hit you with a fist, you can hit them with a fist to defend yourself If they hit you with a baseball bat, you can hit them with a baseball bat to defend yourself If they brandish a gun, you can brandish a gun to defend yourself If they shoot at you, you can shoot at them to defend yourself In order to be defending yourself they must be attacking you at the time. There was one case where some ferals drove their car into a person's yard, beat him up badly, I think robbed him and then jumped back in the car and reversed back into his house. By then he'd grabbed his rifle and fired through the back window injuring or killing a couple, and I think was charged with murder, because it was not equal force. So be careful when you try to live in the past.

There were some very sound reasons we went away from redneck heaven to the equal force principal so successful in our society today. More household members were killed, outnumbering thieves by a huge margin.

This is a funny thread M61A1, R2D2 or whatever it is. Most are criticising Muslems who want to cut off a person's hand if he steals your TV, You want to kill the person if he steals your TV

If you go read your history, you will find that nature has taken care of this potential explosion several times, simply by disease. If we get a bad case of bird flu in Asia, you'll see decimation like you wouldn't believe, all round the globe.

Sorry you can't read, so I'll help you. The man is not my dentist; I have a well paid Australian dentist. He is a dental specialist and he inherited the practice from an Australian who died. As a fortune teller, I'm afraid you aren't going to make it with the rest of the post, since you haven't guessed any part of it correctly.

We really got ourselves into a lot of trouble importing poms, but some of them were OK Planey. I think you've really summed up the fallout of careless immigration policy. Once you let it become entrenched, virtually only a civil war will root it out, because the general population just don't care. As far as being too proud to ask for the dole, that was probably the final stamp of making you an Australian. Surprisingly a lot of today's immigrants feel the same way.

Let the dribble continue, is it? My dental specialist, who clearly fits you category, applied to enter Australia, flew in when approved, is a model citizen in my community, and always forgets he has already reminded me that the Koran does not preach violence any more than the bible does. He, as a legal immigrant, is disgusted with fellow Iraquis, spending ten times as much and showing contempt of out Country in trying to do illegally what he did.

Yes, the one about how good taildraggers, the aircraft of yesteryear, are for a start!

Labor stooge?

FT, where did you get these figures, and have you ever heard of lead time? A whole new group of enforcement people has to be employed, trained and equipped, or did you think the government would just hire 300 people, give them 4 wheel bikes and 357 magnums and say "the beach is that way"

What sort of lunacy is this? Rupert Murdoch employs hit squads to go out and shoot someone so his Newspapers have news stories to write? How utterly ridiculous, and a pitiful contribution to this thread.

So now we have two feral threads - doesn't take much.

Well it was closer to the time and people were more aware, but those people were conquered by the British.

No, just someone who doesn't spend 24 hours a day learning every little nerdy convention.

Yes, HITC that has hit closer than any of the other posts. It is less expensive to hold a pragmatic line with Indonesia than risk them spiralling off where their extremists have taken them in the past; their defence forces, although very inefficient vastly outnumber our own. But they are as guilty as sin for allowing their country to be used as a profit centre and staging area to process these people to Australia. I have spoken first hand to someone from the Australian Defence Force, and the picture outlined above is similar to what he told me. Someone mentioned the Tampa - he was there and gets very emotional about it. The story is almost the opposite to the propaganda picked up by the press; the Navy action was correct, the Howard Government action was correct. When you see people doing to their children what every genuine Australia would consider unspeakable, I can understand why people would become emotional enough to post the above. After several visits to Japan, I'm of the opinion their way in the long run is better. A good example of the contrast was in a train where a guy set up his computer, got comfortable by pulling out his bulging wallet on a ledge, put his I Phone on the ledge beside it, and a little later decided he needed to go to the toilet, leaving all these items as they were. I'd love top get back to the time where we all were able to leave our keys in the car.