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That's what I'm asking for.

I can't see the justification for the hate directed towards Infidels. They are going to hell anyhow for their lack of belief so surely that is enough punishment from the creator of all things who is perfect in every way, and whose actions can't be questioned or you would be an infidel yourself. Is god to be surrounded in Paradise with murderers and those who have committed suicide? (which is supposed to be a mortal sin ). and people consumed by hate. Sounds like Hell for God to me especially with all the copulation with virgins going on.. What a lot of rot. Nev

Good point Nomad, and he would have been providing updates and electronic versions with Youtube examples, but he hasn't and there's a good chance that Moses decided his Israelites needed some mentoring and chiselled a few ideas. He wasn't all that smart; played around with the Ark of the Covenant, which we know was a capacitor and burned half his face of, having to wear a leather cover over it for the rest of his life.

Yeah, very predictable.

Earthquakes are a completely natural phenomenon, moreso If you are located on a fault line. The continents are still moving and incomprehensible forces are sometimes at work. New Zealand is one of the youngest countries situated near us, one of the oldest. My eldest and most of his family landed at Christchurch at about the time it occurred this time. I spent 4 days in Christchurch just before the last one happened about 5 years ago. Nev

In fact, the South Americans built their poly-face block structure to interlock, which is a good indicator they knew they had to take care of business themselves rather than rely on God not to send earthquakes.

Bex is not having a shot at the victims. He is pointing out the stupidity of using flattery to persuade an imaginary god to suspend natural law and intervene in our affairs, in this case to mitigate the suffering caused by the earthquake.But this imaginary god was the one who sent the earthquake to begin with.

 

It must require a great effort of doublethink on the part of religious people to believe in this god.

Have any of the news services suggested that God sent the earthquake

It is disrespecting of the dead and their families to take the opportunity for cheap, baseless shots at religion.

If any of the people involved had done what you two are suggesting it might be a dabatable issue, but so far, there have been no reports, just the lightweight comments on here.

So reading about the NZ earthquake, which is pretty damn serious and best wishes to those who are scared shotless today and suffering (I've been there, bloody terrifying) but of course clowns coming along saying "God Bless", "My prayers are with you" etc, the same effin "god" who did it.

What did it was the earth's geological structure, which was doing it in biblical times; it was not your 'effin "god", and I didn't see any evidence of your clowns.

You have to give Bruce some slack in his story telling.

ER, if they clubbed and ate him, how do we know that he noticed 'a few too many were looking at him' in the first place?

Apparently it was a regular occurrence in SA, a bit like musical chairs on steroids.

This is another occurrence, from the Booandik Tribe, by Mrs James Smith, who ran an orphanage for aboriginal children in the South East, written in 1880.

"However, he told me he once went to a murapena (a native festival), and that after the dancing was over, the men ran after each other with their spears. He saw one fall, and soon after heard the death-cry. The poor man was killed and speedily divided and devoured by his comrades."

At Beachport the tribe had formed a group for some feasting and dancing. One guy noticed a few too many were looking at him and started to run, but they clubbed him, cut him up and ate him. Life could' be tough on the range.

Seems we've got an atheist pack on every second thread now.

That's silly stuff about the aborigines. When Europeans came to Australia they found the most primitive people on earth.How could they have had agriculture and flour-milling ages ago and then lost it all? And where are the surviving plants they cultivated?

 

And why didn't they put up any resistance to Europeans when they arrived?

 

Sorry but its very hard for me to believe any civilization happened among Aboriginal tribes.

If you managed to get out of your car and walk, you would still find grinding stones on the property.

They harvested fish from the Mosqito and other creeks.

Yet here you are in 2017 trying to rort our system by getting Newstart applicants to pick up sticks, and whining that you can't sustain the same property.

Apparently there are schools in Pakistan where the only book in the school is the Koran. I guess there may be schools in the US where the only book is the Bible, but if so I've never heard of it. But I did hear a radio-preacher say how it ( the Bible) was a shield against Satan.

No, you need some evidence.

Watching an old earther and a young earther go at it is rather amusing, in a sad sort of way. Basically comes down to the young earther arguing they are the "better" or "truer" Christian.

Interestingly, young earth creationism is overwhelmingly Christian in nature. Very few other religions subscribe to it (including Islam - Muslim scholars quite bluntly reject it). The official church bodies which subscribe to it are 100% Christian too.

 

Young earthers cling so much to it that they created their own "creation research institutes" to scientifically show that the Earth is only 6000 years old and was made in 6 days. Oddly, these institutions have produced no Nobel Prize recipients among their alumni and made a sum total of zero revolutionary scientific discoveries.

We did get well beyond the christian stories in this forum, and last week's announcement of an aboriginal settlement and tools scientifically aged at 49,000 years old, pushes the local Australian population back a handy 10,000 years.

Nor do we have to worry about the earth going flat, since we can see the curvature, and many of us were given a simple equation (the only part I can remember is the suqare root of DH/2) with which to calculate the height of a building over the horizon based on the distance from the building and the height showibg above the horizon.

What a scientist will tell you though, is that if he hasn't found any evidence of something, that does not mean it doesn't exist, just that no evidence has been found.

Probably just as well I'm on your ignore list Bex.

Just for you two, and perhaps I should have allowed for that when I made my comment, it's up to him TO GET HIS OWN MIND out of the gutter.

There is potential for this thread to be very informative, but it's not going to get there with this crap.

Just for you two, and perhaps I should have allowed for that when I made my comment, it's up to him TO GET HIS OWN MIND out of the gutter.

There is potential for this thread to be very informative, but it's not going to get there with this crap.

Just for you too, and perhaps I should have allowed for that when I made my comment; it's up to him TO GET HIS OWN MIND out of the gutter.

There is potential for this thread to be very informative, but it's not going to get there with this crap.

Really Turbs, you should get your mind out of the gutter . . .

So we're back on the smut now.

I tried that and failed. While intently looking for kids I missed the 40 sign. I had slowed, but not to that "magic" number. (At the site of my crime, the many warning signs are a major distraction and make it harder to see a little person about to step onto the road.) it told them that in future I would ignore the little kids and instead concentrate on looking for speed signs.

That study strongly supports your view.

Buy the book; I knew where the Southern Cross was too.

....applicable to aeronautical navigation?

It gave me a better grasp of navigation; made it less theoretical, less chance of me making a mathematical mixup.

Most of us will experience at some stage, a successful unexpected forced landing and then experience the "tink" "tink" of a ooling exhaust and the realisation that VHF and mobile phones don't work very far away from the coast; the nearest property could be 15 minutes by air but several hours walking time, IF, you keep walking in the correct direction.

The information on navigating by the stars was so clear, that I felt I could just about walk out of a bush situation at night.

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"It was 12 cycles, 18 katuns, 0 uinals and 16 kins since the beginning of the Great Cycle. The day was 12 Cib 14 Uo, and was ruled by the seventh Lord of the Night. The moon was nine days old.

Precisely 5,101 of our years and 235 days had passed since the beginning of this universe, and only 23 years and 22 days yet remained until the final cataclysm that would destroy it. So the ancient Maya scribes and astronomers would have calculated, for the day was 14 May 1989." ("Breaking the Maya Code", Michael D. Coe)

This 5000 + year calendar was remarkably accurate. Most researchers claim the age of Pisces ended, and the start of the age of Aquarius occurred in the 20th Century, and this confirms that the Mayans joined a number of other civilisations in understanding precession.

Most of the discussion on this thread has been restricted to the paradigm boundary of 2000 years ago, and when we were discussing the dead seas scrolls, and corroboration with other ancient texts, one person even suggested that in that time events were carried mouth to mouth and story tellers would get a feed for making up wondrous stories.

What we've done is go back thousands of years before this; and we can see that civilisations had accurate methods of communicating in writing, whether on copper, papyrus or clay, or depicted in paintings and highly developed skills as well as complex languages.

The Great Pyramid was the tallest building in the world for 3,800 years, which puts the Jesus Christ period 2,000 years ago in perspective