nomadpete

11 minutes ago, octave said:

perhaps they were asking for it."

I disagree with your judgement.

Your graph of homicides is a report on the worst case scenario of outcomes.

OME is referring to one of several possible development pathways of abuses.

Different entirely, and in no way accepting the poor behaviour exhibited by either contributing party.

And, remember, EVERY conflict REQUIRES participation by BOTH  parties.

Again, that does not say he or she (depending on which one suffers worst) is to entitled to inflict harm to the other party in the difference of opinion.

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

As I said, let's ask the victims what factors in their own relationship with an offender lead to its breakdown.

You asked us to avoid specific personal cases. Therefore I cannot add to your argument.

1 hour ago, octave said:

I do think there are a proportion of men who want to be in control and who can not take no for an answer.

That is unfaily sexist.

In my experience, any gender might have this dangerous attitude lurking within an initially pleasant countenance.

2 hours ago, old man emu said:

What caused the relationship to sour?

Unfulfilled expectations, aggravated by inflexibility.

8 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

My preference is Australia Day is moved to March 3rd which is when we finally completely unhitched our remainin legal dependence on Britain.

Great idea! That makes sense.

8 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I think the press make a meal out of it and portray it as if Aboriginals are blaming people today for the colonisation of Australia; some may, but I think you will find many don't.

Here I respect your view, but disagree. Sure, the NSM try to make money out of 'reporting'. But I feel that quite large mobs use the Australia Day issue as leverage to promote blame. If these people (demonstrators) really want to improve the lives of the people they claim to represent, why aren't they out in the bush working with the most needy communities to improve the presently destructive indigenous culture. By destructive culture I refer to normalised tribal and domestic violence, and the loss of moral compass.

Personally, I  cannot understand why we celebrate the visit by Capt Cook any more than the Dutch or French who also dropped in for brief visits. So the day has no significance to me whatsoever.

4 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Frankly, having a day that honours a travesty that has resulted in a disproprtionately intergenerational displacement and disadvataged native population - claimed to be the worst impact of the worlds displaced indigenous populations - is one where living people who ware still living with the fallout shold be in our minds of making lives better.

We seem happy to honour the travesty of the Anzacs in Gallipoli so a precedent has been  set with that sort of thing.

I would argue that the fallout of which you speak is actually a mixed bag. In my opinion a large proportion of the disadvantage is self inflicted. What would you do to make the lives better, of either the disadvantaged descendants of the indigenous, or even of the disadvantaged descendants of poorer 'invaders' ?  Both these demographic groups frequently tend to find difficulty seizing the opportunities to better their lot.

Would cancelling or renaming a public holiday on 26th Jan (or any other day) end discrimination and bring peace and good will to everyone?

I doubt it would change anything at all.

4 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

By that logic, no one living took part in Galipolli, so we should shut down the annual commeroration of what could be construed objecively as a national disaster - losing all those men in a war that had no impact on Australia.

I am not saying that past events had no impact or value. I acknowledge the impact of past decisions and actions. However I am saying that it is pointless laying blame on today's people for the past events.

For instance I cannot blame the present German people or Japanese people for acts of war committed by their parents/grandparents.

Likewise I am not responsible for the illegal declaration that the British made about terra nullius a couple of hundred years ago.

Whitefella law (the law of the land in modern times) has decreed that the first British settlement was established illegally.

So somebody can declare an 'invasion day' to commemorate that if they wish.

However, no living person in the country took part in any invasion. Following that thought, no living person can bear the blame for it. I refuse to be bothered by past injustices. Otherwise, where would I stop? Every person could choose to dredge up past injustices committed by or to previous generations. (No matter where those ancestors came from.)

Let every person do the best they can with whatever they are born into, and with whatever opportunities present themselves along the way.

I can't drive a car very far just by staring into the rear view mirror.

Is there any legislation that requires a pilot certificate endorsement for piloting a ultralight cat?

Or any minimum wing area?

Onetrack did say he planned to go to Pyalong (?) In early May. So I guess he's still hitching his way east across the Nullabor about now.

Hopefully  we will soon hear about an eventful delivery trip. And all is well.

Does anybody have any contact details apart from the forum?

Just for you, OME.....

DIN stands for "Deutsches Institut für Normung", meaning "German institute for standardization".

8 hours ago, willedoo said:

I looked them up and they are very affordable. It looks like they screw flat against the wall.

 

https://www.sparkydirect.com.au/p/Clipsal-RCBE220/30S-20AMP-RCBO-1P-N-4.5kA-Resi-MAX

 

 

They mount on a DIN rail which is the standard in meter boxes.

Role models?

The best role models are the people who fearlessly follow their own path, honestly, fairly and honorably.

An when it comes to raising kids, I don't think the gender roles of parents matter. What matters is that the kids have caring cooperative, supporting, noncombatant parent figures to look up to. Further, I think two 'parent figures' is not enough. Kids do best when there is an extended family of sane, stable role models - grandparents can be a great guiding asset!

2 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

there is often a long trail of abuse that leads to the killingl

This fact is where spending large sums of money simply fails to protect the vulnerable.

In my wife's  case, her ex husband is the classic " well respected medical professional, church going, all around great guy".

He has never had a police report for cruelty to farm animals, nor holding a gun to his wife head to get his way, nor for leaving bruises on his daughters neck during an argument.

I expect there are many men (and women) out there who seem outwardly OK but are actually ticking time bombs, waiting for an unfortunate trigger to set them off.....

People who have never experienced such a relationship, can never begin to understand the complexity of the issues at play.

2 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

The teaser text under it was about the violent killing of women. I haven't yet read the article, but I tend to worry at these headlines as the political call is usually to deny the right of one side to be heard in search for the truth; and only to believe the stereotypicla victim, which results in miscarriages of justice

Thank you.

That does happen too often.

People try to find a simple answer, a simple blame process.  That is not possible.

10 hours ago, willedoo said:

I saw something online that I thought was a good idea for anyone with a fluffy cat. A bloke recycles all the hair he combs from his cat and hangs it outside in a basket so birds can take it away to use in nest building. I remember when my old cow was still alive, the ravens used to pinch hair from her tail but the cat hair would be a lot easier.

I couldn't be bothered to go to all that trouble, who combs their cat?

If it was up to me, I'd hang the bloody cat out and let the birds take as much as they want.

Random thought....

Is Alcoholism a cause, or a symptom of mental health issues?

Spacey, please at least get something like this..... (Bunnings Aerospace for $68).

Believe it or not, although my relationships were not being destroyed by alcohol, a visit to alanon helped me immensely.

Until then I didn't know they are a support group for abused partners of alcoholics.

They pointed out that trying to help the unhelpable only makes things worse - it turns the victim into the enabler - and in the end the victim is helping the perpretator to behave worse.

I  only went once but that realisation was the turning point for me.

Enough!  This was supposed to be random thoughts!

3 minutes ago, old man emu said:

We don't need to have our society polluted by what is a cancer in the US society. 

Totally agree. Western society has normalised violence as a conflict resolution answer.

5 minutes ago, old man emu said:

I wonder how many of these domestic violence crimes are committed as a result of the offender being in drugs. I would see drug use being a reason for a young woman to end a relationship with someone who is unable to provide the expected domestic tranquility that women innately need.

I wish I could have blamed it on drugs but a cause in my cases.

It is more like "boiled frog" problem. Also, it takes a great deal of courage and mental strength to walk out on the one you love, when it is breaking a promise "in sickness and in health" (knowing mental health counts and knowing the perpretator needs help too). And to do it when all strength is gone and the victim is already very weak, and vulnerable. It is common for such relationships to have isolated the victim from their closest friends/relatives/ support, and they feel unable to seek the help they need.

It may be hard to comprehend, but domestic violence  is a (bad) outlet for the perpretator who at the time feels  totally vulnerable, disempowered. It is their desperate attempt to regain lost power.

In my opinion, a variation on "violence is the refuge of a coward".

Perhaps a cultural change would help to build trust in seeking help outside the relationship. Maybe growing the courage to admit the behaviour to outsiders. Society presently sees that as a weakness. It seems frowned upon generally.

I would add one significant thing that is grossly lacking - specialist support for those suffering from psychological abuse. It is sadly lacking but is more effective than punisment.

In most reports of partner physical violence, there is a common theme. Prior ongoing psychological manipulation by one person AND ongoing denial of that by the other person. Normalised deviance by BOTH parties is what facilitates the progressive worsening of violence.

Laws and threats of jail or death penalty will do no good at all.

As I have said before, in my opinion, nobody in their right mind will harm the one they love.

The problem is mental health.

No amount of law threats will change the actions of a person who is having a mental health rage problem.

Twice in my life I have had my life physically threatened by partners who were undergoing irrational rage episodes. On one occasion our teenage kids helped wrestle a knife out of my wife's hand. Later professional diagnosis showed it was all due to psychological problems. At the time of these events, no amount of rational discussion was possible. I can assure you, once a person is undergoing a psychotic episode, they are capable of dreadful stuff that none of their friends will believe.

12 hours ago, red750 said:

like pouring paint over Capt Cook statues

Peter, I  do agree with that.

I don't  agree with making a fuss about it because these folk are not desecrating anybody else's statuew - only their own. Besides that aspect, my only judgement of the pics you posted, is that some folk do stuff purely to draw attention, and to me, thats a waste of time.