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Classic FT!

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Robbo:

Quoting Andrew Bolt in any discussion is like equating someone with Hitler. As soon as you do it, you lose any credibility in the debate.

Phil:

Tony Abbott was /is the most negative and toxic politician this country has ever experienced. He is ruthlessly destructive and took political discourse in this country to excruciating lows. His destructive style was successful in tearing down two previous PMs, but he continued in the same destructive mode once he became PM. He is an extreme right wing ideologue. Worst PM this country has ever elected by a long way, and I'm being conservative with my criticisms here.

Yep that is what you think it is, I think it is more LWL crap. Can you substantiate any of your comments?

Really? I mean REALLY?

Tones actually said that! It was reported in the papers and tv everywhere.

Are you out of the country and missed the mass coverage of that statement?

Still using win7 64bit and will stay with that. The aggressive nature of the promotion of win10 really puts me off. I put it in the category of "if they market it on TV it's probably crap" and if they market it that aggressively, it's probably crap too. Edit: the same goes for celebrity spruikers.

If you keep pumping billions (literally billions) of tonnes of greenhouse gases into a planetary atmosphere many times faster than the carbon cycle of that planet can absorb them, on what planet and under what laws of physics will the "climate sort itself out"?

 

Sulphur dioxide and particulates from volcanos precipitate out of the atmosphere after a relatively short time and so their effects are short-lived. That has already been explained.

 

Actually it does sit around for many decades. Your statement is simply untrue. CO2 is distributed throughout the atmosphere. How many trees, exactly, do you believe are "eating" the CO2 at 100km altitude - the upper regions at which anthropogenic CO2 has been detected? The extremes of CO2 circulation in the atmosphere were discovered by the "ACE" (Atmospheric Chemistry Experiment) satellite team in 2012. The satellite measured atmospheric CO2 concentration for 8 years.

 

It would be good to get the basic scientific facts straight first and then attempt to construct the "anti" anthropogenic warming argument from there.

Trying to convince deniers that climate change exists is like trying to convince smokers that it is bad for them. They just selectively choose their "facts" (or invent them) to support their beliefs (in this case denial).

...and they will be nowhere to be seen when the international community demands Australia do its share to accomodate the millions of environmental refugees swamping our borders.

Very, it would be nice to see a fact.

Bex: If you measure your life by material goods then yes we are better off than when we were kids. But I was the beneficiary of a free public education as were most of our politicians who now want to saddle our kids and grandkids with massive mortgages for tertiary education. Also, my son was born in a public hospital free of charge, but now we have to have "insurance" i.e. Make a profit for some company so that we can get health care. Want to see how that turns out? Have a look at the American health system.

But why is all this "user pays" stuff necessary when we all still pay taxes? Because we've had 40 years of voodoo economics that says if we give the big corporates enough in tax breaks and corporate welfare, they might employ a few more people. They don't, but that's the ruse used to sell us all on reducing the corporate tax rates. So as the tax take dwindles, the government winds back the community services it provides or implements charges for those services.

There are more important things than profits.

While we have been distracted by soap operas and the footy, our leaders have been secretly selling us out:

https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/tpp/tpp-door-hanger-chip-in/chip-in-to-fund-the-effort?t=zoYVWf5Ww

Alexander Graham Bell said it best;

5% of people think

10% of people think they think

The other 85% would rather die than think.

These things are allowed to go unchecked because we the people let the politicians get away with it. Big Business has the money and uses it to sway the politicians, but we the people have the numbers. The problem is getting enough people off their a***s to write their political rep to say "don't do this". To do that, you have to drag people away from their soapies and footy. Doing that is like teaching a pig to sing ... it's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

The really sinister thing about the TPP is that it gives business primacy over elected governments. If business doesn't like the laws a country enacts, they can sue that country and get the laws thrown out. This is being pushed primarily by Big Pharma and Big Tobacco to get things like our PBS thrown out and the plain cigarette packaging laws thrown out. Obviously multinational profits are more important than peoples' lives.

The TPP has been under negotiation for quite some time and the secrecy surrounding it is quite scary. The businesses in the US are lobbying hard to ram it through the government.

Umm, this may be too obvious, but have you looked in the white pages online? That would give maybe a few hits that you could follow up discreetly unless the person's name is John Smith. Then try the usual stuff like Facebook, linkedin or other social websites.

Internet axion "If it's free, YOU are the product."

Well, I went to Bunnings today to enquire about a job. I was told that I had to apply on line, and that it is Bunnings' policy to NOT reply to the application for a couple of months, then they will contact the applicant to see if they are still interested in getting a job. The person I was talking to (just a bloke I know, not a HR person) suggested that I try at Maccas, since they are always hiring.

Like I said earlier, the only work you can get in this country is as a menial. Forget about all you have learned from formal study and life experience. The politicians have sold the country out from underneath us. I wonder if I'll even be able to buy a burial plot somewhere that a future politician wont convince the government to dig up for one of his get-rich-quick schemes.

 

Old Man Emu

I worked for Bunnings for about two years. After a career as a software engineer, wages and conditions in the retail industry were a bit of a wakeup for me. I only went to work for them to keep from being bored after retiring. After about two years I had a gutful of being taken advantage of. What I couldn't get past, was the way the retail industry (and the hospitality industry too) exploit their workforce. The retailers are always bleating on about how much they have to pay in wages and that that's why their prices are so high. I'm here to tell you it's all Bulls__t! They pay peanuts and they employ fewer people in any given store than what is required to make the thing function properly. Want to know why retail staff are so rude? They cop enless abuse from customers and management because the stores are chronically and acutely understaffed, and they're paid a pittance for the privilege.

And while we are talking about wasting billions, let's think about the billions wasted by the Howard/Costello/Abbott government ...

Now the current crop of indolents wants an RC into the pink batts scheme that killed 4 people due to the greed of some dodgy contractors and that is somehow Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard's personal responsibility. But if we have the RC into that, then we BETTER have an RC into Iraq MKII and those pesky missing WMDs that the governments here, in the UK and in Washington ALL knew didn't exist and let's DO lay the blame for that right at the feet of W's deputy, J.W.Howard.

........I could go on but I fear that the entrenched opinions of some will never change.

^ Thanks for making the thread funny again Scotty. In summary the Liberals are evil because they made your head explode.... OK they may be a little hopeless in some areas but see to many of us this just makes it all worthwhile!

it's just a real touchy subject in Oz.

When this text speak first evolved I was thinking WTF ? Are these young people that dumb. I hate it, it looks so stupid. Example - I dunno M8 cus I can't spell. How hard is it to type in mate instead of m8, or cause instead of cus. It isn't that difficult .I am glad that text speak/spelling isn't used on this forum.

 

PS- Hi Phil, you have mentioned above that some posters here do not have English as their primary language. I have actually found them to be very good at spelling. Better that some people who have English as the primary and only language.

Moral of the story:Let him without sin cast the first stone......

Ooohhh, Mr Squiggle.... Now there's a story

Did you know he had a large wooden pencil....

Brilliant. Thanks for sharing. I was born in Chicago.

Witness the power of an airbag

I think people underestimate the charge that's in an airbag. I saw a video once where a guy deliberately sat on one and his workmates set it off. It threw him in the air and when he got up you could see that he was really hurting. I suspect he suffered some spinal injury akin to being ejected from a fighter jet. I wouldn't want my tablet on top of one of those if I had a fender-bender hard enough to set it off. As the first comment on the article said, you'd have it embedded in your forehead.

Actions currently under consideration depending on who wins:Gillard: leave home

 

Rudd: leave country

 

Abbott: leave planet

 

rgmwa

We live in a corporatocracy. If you think that ANY of the politicians are calling the shots as to how your life will pan out in the next 30 years, you haven't been paying attention. We are now ruled by the Rineharts, Forrests and Palmers and most of all the Murdochs.

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Pud