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Thanks all we are already here ,just made it by one day before the border closed. We are staying with rello,s and are looking for something out of Hobart as rentals are over the top $500 a week for a simple duplex, but regional rentals seem to be ok. And good luck Peter and i hope all goes well cheers...

Hi everybody I,m just putting it out there for any of our flying friends in Tasmania might know of a house for rent . I,ve moved to Tasmania for my partners family is all in Tassie and they need to be close at this point in time ,so here i am ,,hmmmmm bloody cold lol................

To successfully sue for libel ("defamation" is the legal term these days) you have to prove damage to your reputation, Bull.

I suspect that will be very difficult.

 

It's also really, really expensive ($100k or more in legal fees before a judgement in made). If you lose, you pay Octave's costs as well as your own. Good luck.

Although you suggest this quote is what I am saying you are really paraphrasing what you think I am saying. I have never mentioned immigration or covering up "immigration/muslim" crime. That is fine, I can't control how you interpret my words Likewise I interpret you saying things like "Tell that to the poor Melbourne residents having to live with the apex gang" to mean that you are saying that Melbourne residents are living with a level of gang violence beyond that of any other comparable city. Granted you may not have used the word siege and you can suggest that I have misinterpreted you just as I have not mentioned immigration or Muslim crime. Yes there is a crime gang called Apex, they appear to mainly African (but not entirely African) Yes they have committed some violent robberies. But to suggest that this is anything greater than the usual run of crime that happens in any large city is not correct. I sincerely hope that I am not misinterpreting you again, just to be on the safe side I should stick to direct quotes.

 

Are you saying that these gangs are motivated by radical islamism and that they want to. to "kill /harm slay the infidel" ? if not then we are not talking about the same thing. I was comparing bikie gangs to Apex.. whether or not this is what you are suggesting (so th be clear I accept that you may not be saying they are motivated by islamism) I don't think anyone believes (including the Police) that this gang is anything but a group of petty, malicious and violent criminals.

 

Apex Gang’s crime matriarch Sue Merrall who stored stolen goods … – Daily Mail – Hard News

 

Certainly doesn't look like a terrorist group.

 

no apology forthcoming, i will await the summons

 

Anyway I can see this topic gets you very angry so I have no wish to contribute to your anger and negativity, not much point in flogging a dead horse (lol just re read that and thought I better clarify that the dead horse refers to the subject not your good self), you have your view of the world and i have mine, but so what.

 

Hey is that your plane in you profile pic? Looks very cool

 

Cheers

I know you prefer emotion to facts and rational thinking but can you tell me how many murders and assaults have been committed by these people that you think have Melbourne under siege? The Apex gang are a group of thugs and petty criminals, there is no doubt about that but to claim that we Melbournites are under siege or our crime rate is out of control or higher than anywhere where else in Aus is nonsense. If you really want to put me in my place, it is easy just quote the relevant statistics from a reliable verifiable source - easy. Sorry but I cannot be convinced by emotion only cold hard facts. I went for my evening walk tonight and I will go for my evening walk tomorrow night., I don't expect to be attacked by the marauding masses.

By the way I think you totally missed my point about bikies. Let me put it another way. Being a rational guy my concern about violent crime is related to the likelihood of that crime being committed, it makes sense to be concerned about the crimes that more commonly occur rather than rarer crimes. Again statistics.

 

Yes good question can anyone? Again you miss my point so let me reduce it down to one point. You claim that Melbourne is under siege from violent gangs, it is not and if it were it would be very easy for you to put me in my place wirth FACTS.

 

Anyway I guess we just have different thresholds when it comes to fear and I guess that is unlikely to change.

How often does this happen Bull? Of course in a city of 4 million people there are crimes committed by all sorts of people. I notice you haven't mentioned Australian bikies shooting in public, but I guess they are not the wrong the right colour. You are relying on the media, I live here. Can I ask you how well you think the media covers plane crashes, do they ever exaggerate or sensationalize? I understand that these things make you feel anxious but like flying in an airliner the odds of coming to grief are very small and when rationally put in context are not worth being nervous about. Your assertion that Melbourne is under siege is clearly nonsense . But happy to consider crime statistics but not an online news site called the Muslim Issue (the title makes no pretense at balance)

I was being ironic Bull. What I actually meant was the complete opposite.

Wow, that looks like a totally unbiased, well researched and evidence based article...

Oh....I'm so sorry....I didn't realise that you lived in or near Caboolture.

Bull seems to be having problems interpreting statistics in a sensible way (such as this link he posted showing that in 75% of Muslim countries, support for ISIS is in single digit figures - and in Iran and Lebanon it's actually zero).

I have a lot of friends in Melbourne, none of whom are cowering in fear thinking they could be the next target of an African immigrant crime gang.

 

However speaking of crime, I am getting heartily sick of the white unemployed aussies in this region stealing cars and setting them on fire near major interchanges and on main roads. It's just getting worse and worse. Honestly, if the muslims want to reach the lofty heights of criminality from their anglo-saxon compatriots around these parts, they really need to work a lot harder at it.

Australia has one legal framework Bull. We don't have sharia law. We never will. Even the separate Koori courts etc are run by the state governments. Maybe you should relax and enjoy life instead of worrying about stuff that isn't a problem.

Geez! Things have changed since I left! You have sharia law there now? Looks like I left just in time ...

What's 'Apex' ?

Je ne se pas. . . . .

Bull, I reckon you'll find the "mass of uneducated violent criminals" were mainly born here.

Bull, I reckon you'll find the "mass of uneducated violent criminals" were mainly born here.

Is that a fact or an assumption? If it were true, things would be a lot worse than they are, I believe.This has been a common Australian attitude to immigration for as long as I remember.

 

Painting all with the same brush to fortify your opinions isn't really helpful. "Immigration is bad!"

 

I was one of those "New Australians" in the very early sixties. Both my my mother and father were fluent English speakers (my father was fluent in three other languages too) with higher education seduced by advertising campaigns in Europe. Come to Australia for a better life.

 

My mother (accountant) never did better there than cleaning others' houses. My father cleaned hospital toilets, worked as a factory hand and climbed the ladder of success to die a humble junior postal clerk.

 

I remember Australian kulture and fine cuisine in those 'good old days'. The six o'clock swill. Meat pies (gravy bags). Ingrained and obvious xenophobia.

 

Think of that when you order your next pizza or go out for Chinese in your new Toyota.

Uneducated, probably. Let's face it, if we spent a couple of years studying each country's culture before we got there, we'd probably be absolutely fine and welcomed into the community. It'd make holidays hard work though.

Cause like all nowadays I really don't care about me, or our current state of affairs concerning muslim/isis leftys etc and will leave it up to fine thinking folks like yourself to secure a future for our children and grandchildren in the place we call home Australia.

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To be fair to the Yanks, apparently 49% of Australians want a ban on muslim immigration. I thought we were better than that.

I tend to look at it like this....Talk to any Australian (or most people around the world for that matter) about snakes. Now, realistically, most snakes pose no harm to humans, a lot aren't even venomous, and most of those that are, won't really do much, yet most will tell you that the only good snake, is a dead snake.

For some reason the left will only allow this ideology to be allowed to apply to guns, snakes, climate change deniers and the "white patriarchy". Statistically speaking, we've never really had a problem with firearms (and were never likely to), but you get a few deaths and people are screaming that something must be done. We've had a few deaths, and now people want something done about it.

Take into consideration that extremists have made it clear that they want to take over western countries by through immigration. Even if it's not ISIS or ISIL, places like Pakistan for instance, where one of the recent news items is about a woman who is on death row for sipping out of a cup intended for muslims. We give these pricks foreign aid FFS. Where are the feminists now? They are still supporting the very crew that would have them put to death. When questioned about what islam teaches about homosexuality, Walled Aly wouldn't even answer the question, yet the lgbti support islam.

Everywhere in the world where there is islam, there is a sh1tfight, that's what people see.

Thanks Marty

That actually explains a lot.

In your post above, Bull, you simultaneously make the following allegations:

 

1) There are 8.89 million muslims in Australia.

 

2) There are 2.6 to 3.6 million muslims in Australia.

 

3) 2.6% of Australia's population are muslim (which would be 598,000 muslims)

 

4) 14% of 8.89 million = a bit more than 63,000 (well yeah I guess that's "technically" true, although out by a factor of 20)

 

5) There are 63 million ISIS supporters worldwide (says who?)

 

6) That the proportion of ISIS supporters in a muslim population is the same in every country (not possible: ISIS are Sunnis, you fail to account for Shia muslims who hate ISIS and are generally singled out by them for execution, and the proportion of each varies hugely by country)

 

This is why I take anything Reclaim Australia says with a grain of salt.

 

My wife hates the fact that I often repeat stuff two or three or four times. I point out that on some forums and in some personal conversations, I seem to need to do this because it takes that number of times for people to actually realise that you've made a particular statement.

 

That's why I repeatedly stated in a couple of my posts above that I am not advocating "doing nothing" about islamic extremism. Suffice to say that tactic didn't work, did it?

 

"[idiot]" - was that comment directed personally at me, Bull?

That actually explains a lot.

In your post above, Bull, you simultaneously make the following allegations:

 

1) There are 8.89 million muslims in Australia.

 

2) There are 2.6 to 3.6 million muslims in Australia.

 

3) 2.6% of Australia's population are muslim (which would be 598,000 muslims)

 

4) 14% of 8.89 million = a bit more than 63,000 (well yeah I guess that's "technically" true, although out by a factor of 20)

 

5) There are 63 million ISIS supporters worldwide (says who?)

 

6) That the proportion of ISIS supporters in a muslim population is the same in every country (not possible: ISIS are Sunnis, you fail to account for Shia muslims who hate ISIS and are generally singled out by them for execution, and the proportion of each varies hugely by country)

 

This is why I take anything Reclaim Australia says with a grain of salt.

Having a bit of difficulty with your maths old son... 2.6% of 23.1 million is 601,380 - NOT 8.89 million as you say there (twice). And where the hell do you get 14-37% ISIS supporters? Has there been polls done of the entire muslim population?

Now I don't know the koran so I won't be quoting it, but if it's got anywhere near the amount of irrelevant sh1t as the bible in it then I wouldn't go anticipating the actions of muslims based on it, just as you don't get a lot of modern christians killing homosexuals, witches, or kiwis.

Unless you're prepared to go accusing every catholic of being a kiddy-fiddler because of what some of their priests get up to, then you can't go accusing every muslim of being a terrorist because of what a few nut jobs do.

You've swallowed the Hanson BS, haven't you Bull. 20 years ago she said we were being flooded by Asians. Now she says we're being flooded by muslims. If she's still around in another 20 years it'll be somebody else "flooding" Australia.

I don't know why you say we're doing nothing in Australia. The police both state and federal have been very active in counter-terrorism and have made several arrests. Jeez they even stopped a bunch of wannabe's from trying to get to Indonesia in a tin dish (should've let them go, I reckon, and picked them up just before they got to Indonesian waters - if they made it that far...)

 

Unless you're prepared to go accusing every catholic of being a kiddy-fiddler because of what some of their priests get up to, then you can't go accusing every muslim of being a terrorist because of what a few nut jobs do.

 

Hell, to bring in M61A1's point, saying muslims are all terrorist risks is like saying all men are domestic violence risks. Maybe we should just deport anyone with a penis and both problems would be solved?