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14 hours ago, onetrack said:One Professor Ivan Watkins of the University of Texas, Austin, postulates that the Incas utilised the focussed rays of the Sun to cut their building stones so precisely...

I don’t doubt the possibility, 1T.
Yonks ago I “inherited” a broken WWII searchlight mirror from a mate. One afternoon I opened the garage door and was badly burned as I walked past the broken remains. After pointing a section (less than half a square meter) at the late afternoon sun it took seconds to melt a fingernail-sized hole thru some steel.

 

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I’ve long suspected that intellectual laziness is behind much religious faith.

Ok, I'll bite...   Firstly, there's a slight irony in you trying to debunk evolution because "it's not possible", then saying you're quite happy to believe an invisible man made everything s

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Any parabolic mirror will reflect light parallel rays that strike its inner surface through the focal point of the parabola. 

 

You can use the following equation to determine the focal point for yourself. The formula for a parabola is f = x2 /4a.

To find the focal point of a parabola, follow these steps:

Step 1: Measure the longest diameter (width) of the parabola at its rim.

Step 2: Divide the diameter by two to determine the radius (x) and square the result (x2 ).

Step 3: Measure the depth of the parabola (a) at its vertex and multiply it by 4 (4a).

Step 4: Divide the answer from Step 2 by the answer to Step 3 (x2 /4a). The answer is the distance from the vertex of the parabola to its focal point.

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If the rays are in the infra-red portion of the spectrum they are related to heating. So those heating rays are concentrated in one spot and can start a fire.

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 A mirrored surface with high specular reflection is used to concentrate light from the sun into a small cooking area. Depending on the geometry of the surface, sunlight could be concentrated by several orders of magnitude producing temperatures high enough to melt salt and metal. For most household solar cooking applications, such high temperatures are not really required. Solar cooking products are typically designed to achieve temperatures of 65 °C (150 °F) (baking temperatures) to 400 °C (750 °F) (grilling/searing temperatures) on a sunny day.

 

Paraboloids are compound curves, which are more difficult to make with simple equipment than single curves. Although paraboloidal solar cookers can cook as well as or better than a conventional stove, they are difficult to construct by hand. Frequently, these reflectors are made using many small segments that are all single curves which together approximate compound curves.

 

 

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Why would the extra-terrestrials spent their time and expertise on such stupid structures? Hiding your treasure in a pyramid visible for a hundred k?

Anyway, there is no shortage of evidence to the lack of such help. Each layer of the pyramids is sloping just a bit towards the prevailing wind and why? because they flooded each layer after sealing up the joints with clay and making a low perimeter wall. Stains of the clay are there to this day.

Why do we not usually hear such stuff? For the same reason we don't hear evidence of the non-existence of jesus.

There is not much money is these stories.

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On 02/03/2021 at 10:34 PM, old man emu said:

Examinations at Pumapunku site of the soil under the structure indicate that construction commenced about AD 536 .  A radiocarbon date was obtained from organic material from the lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill forming the Pumapunku...

Back to this, one of the most important topics.

 

Is the above report totally reliable and definitive?

If so, other researchers should be able to replicate the work and get the same result.

 

This bloke, and lots like him, don’t accept the conventional explanations.

 

This video is a good summary of current mysteries and well worth watching.

 

 

 

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I'm enjoying all this collective researching and postulating. Thanks!

 

Although most most posts are not directly related to "...your theist/atheist arguments...",   It represents the least thread drifting that I've ever seen!

 

I guess it does highlight our human tendency to create stories whenever we get challenged by an unanswerable question. That leaves the rest of us to try to find logical answers to mysteries.

 

Eg: The great wall of china, "built by emperor Nasi Goreng to keep the rabbits out", or telling kids where babies come from, or numerous religious texts.

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Technical amazing feats of the ancients? Not in my book. They did have lots of time but not much expertise I reckon. In particular, the use of the building...  was it even sensible? The pyramids don't pass that test.

What we do not lack these days is a supply of gullible people. Here's an amazing thing...  In the middle ages, a "proof" was acceptable if you could show that some important person believed it.

How stupid, thought I, but then I thought of the use of celebrities in advertising and realized that we haven't changed.

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4 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

Technical amazing feats of the ancients? Not in my book. They did have lots of time but not much expertise I reckon...

Bruce have you watched the videos I posted above? 

Highly-qualified modern engineers are impressed by the precision of ancient stone machining (and say they doubt it could be done today).

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Yep old K I have seen the video. Sorry, but I reckon he was selling a point of view and not being even-handed. For example, he didn't mention anything about the clay stains I referred to .

And the idea of the great pyramid being some sort of amplifier? This would need a LOT of maths to support. Personally, I don't believe it.

The wonderful stonework before the Aztecs sure shows that they had a different perspective on time to what we have today, but I don't agree that it shows more than that.

Anyway, thanks for posting the video.

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What sort of a $#1t for brains clown would want 72 Virgins? Most religions do  a dreadful job with sexual matters.. God has no Mrs God and It's ALL knowing so decides the BEST  WAY and gave us one with Apples and temptresses where we committed a great sin and wrecked everything. (So the story goes). Men have the same number of ribs as women  Nev

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Religion relies in things you can't see or prove.. IF I believed everything  I'd wish to believe I'd have made some extra crook decisions along the way. God gave me eyes to see ears to hear and nerves to feel and sense things. Also a brain to think with. WE can be traced back to common genes with very simple creatures and we've had millions of years of continuous evolution to make us what we are.. Creatures of THIS earth and suited to it uniquely. 

  That last sentence is MY religion.. Respect for LIFE forms not eternal life. Nev

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6 hours ago, facthunter said:

God gave me eyes to see ears to hear and nerves to feel and sense things. Also a brain to think with…

Nev for saying that in the western world not so long ago, you’d have suffered a terrible fate.

There are still lots of countries where that would still happen.

 

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