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Back to the topic; it seems this political high flyer has mucked up just about everything he’s worked on. Don’t think he has much of a future.

 

It is beyond satire that a politician who introduced laws demanding greater transparency for political donations accepts an anonymous donation himself.

 

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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-problems-with-porter-20210917-p58sk1.html

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A senior politician, acting as a private citizen and off his own bat, sues the ABC and a reporter because they truthfully reported the facts.   Now his legal fees have been "partly covered"

That's a blow at the very essence of our legal system. I always believed that an accused person had a right to engage a legal eagle to mount a defence based on testing the Crown evidence, or possibly

Dax, thanks for sharing your views. I share a lot of your cynicism of politics and religion. Although your ideology doesn't totally align with mine, the debate is causing us to analyse things more dee

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"He has this afternoon taken the appropriate course of action to uphold those standards by tendering his resignation as a minister this afternoon, and I have accepted his resignation," Mr Morrison said."

 

Why can't he just say, "Therefore, in light of his inability to explain himself, he was fired/relieved of his duties/stood down for misconduct." It would state what should be the truth and establish him as somewhat of a leader and send a message that misconduct is not accepted.

 

Oh, wait.. misconduct is accepted until it can no longer be covered up.

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4 hours ago, old man emu said:

Let me ask you how many members of "the biggest diving club in the sth hemisphere back in the early late 1970's" were actively involved in the governance of the club.

If I remember correctly, we had 8 on our committee, another 7 involved with the magazine and 6 dive masters. Members were given the draft, had 2 months to check it out, was discussed at 2 meetings and made a couple of alterations, then at the AGM, each section was explained and voted on.

 

Back then there were no forums or internet, we were a diving club and members wanted to be protected, have more say and control in the club. They didn't want to have an executive that was egocentric, psychopathic and looked after their vested interests and mates.

 

So suggested the formula for introducing our new constitution, giving every member the right and ability to be involved in drawing it up and the final content. Started off with a few interested souls, but after a couple of months it was just me and as president at the time, couldn't pull out. Went to the library and read as much as I could on constitutions and took it from there, without the crap. It had in it safe guards, so no one could misinterpret meanings and most of those came from members, along with alterations to make then clearer. Not everyone was interested, but all wanted to be involved in discussing the draft and there wasn't a dissenting vote, which made everyone happy.

4 hours ago, old man emu said:

But what insurance do you mean - Life, Property or Superannuation? The only problem with getting into the finance sector is that running it in any way involves a great deal of experience in financial management. Who is going to be engaged to run things?

Property, vehicle and personal injury insurance. Not into superannuation, it would be better for the economy if people were spending their money at the time of receiving it. In super finds all it does if prop up a system which is just another way of the rich getting their hands on more of peoples money and you need a hell of a lot of super to have really comfortable retirement whilst we follow the economic growth/profit growth ideology and practise.

 

A properly run country like ours, could afford to give everyone a pension when they retire and that pension should be at least the minimum wage, Veterans should get 3 times the aged pension, ex politicians the old job seeker allowance as their retirement. After they paid back all the money they wasted, like we'd have to do in any job and they are only our employees. Pensioners having more money will help drive the economy, it's money going round that drives a functioning economy.

 

There are many very successful managers of industry who would love to apply for the job of running a major financial publicly owned enterprise, when they would be accountable directly to the entire population. All that's need is a business plan that the people felt would achieve their goals, not one achieving the goals of the corporate world.

 

The job gets advertised setting out goals chosen by the people and applicants provide a business plan to achieve that goal. Of course there would be other conditions attached to the appointment. The people on official private forums for each decision required would discuss then decide on which was the best applicant to get the job done.

 

4 hours ago, old man emu said:

One of the vital factors in trial by jury is that the jurors can meet together to discuss the evidence, and argue points of contention members might raise.

They can do that, there's zoom and many other platforms enabling people to have online private encrypted visual conferences and discuss the case. The lock down drove that approach out into the open and with viruses looking likely to be with us for a long time, the less face to face contact humans have in certain situations, it's less likely people will come down with the latest more virus and spread it further. Hopefully it will die out soon like all the rest.

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3 hours ago, Dax said:

Let me ask you how many members of "the biggest diving club in the sth hemisphere back in the early late 1970's" were actively involved in the governance of the club.

 

I'm sorry that I worded that ambiguously. What I meant to ask was, "how many members were actively involved in the day-to-day running of the club?".  You account for 21 members, but what did the rest do, apart from that particular task of drafting the constitution? 

 

What I am getting at is that people are happy to join organisation to get benefits, but don't invest the time in maintaining or improving them. Then I take it to national governance. We all want people to do the things the constitution says a government must do, but how many of the total electorate actually get involved in making policy and plans?

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6 hours ago, octave said:

It is interesting to consider that members of the backbench where Porter now finds himself are also required to deciare their pecuniary interests.  In other words the situation that made him unfit for the ministry should also make in unfit for the backbench, shouldn't it? 

Yes.. there is an article in The Age that is suggesting he won't resign his seat (which he should) so that there is no by-election the government has to fight.. and possibly embarrassingly lose.

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17 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Yes.. there is an article in The Age that is suggesting he won't resign his seat (which he should) so that there is no by-election the government has to fight.. and possibly embarrassingly lose.

Of course he won't resign.  Mark McGowan has a sky-high approval rating, largely from standing up to the federal LNP.  I know state politics and federal are two different beasts, but I reckon the LNP would get its arse handed to it in a by-election there.

 

 

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